INFO-VAX Sun, 20 May 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 275 Contents: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? RE: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) IDE)) DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Free HP laptop wtih $10000 or higher purchase Re: Free HP laptop wtih $10000 or higher purchase Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? RE: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? RE: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Re: MicroVAX with KDA50, RQDX3 and KFQSA configuration ?? Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Re: OT: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Re: SYSMAN problem Re: SYSMAN problem Re: SYSMAN problem Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 08:07:01 -0400 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <8660a3a10705190507q86b55a2kf5e5fb56fb774e39@mail.gmail.com> On 5/18/07, JF Mezei wrote: > Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > > And where would HP be without the ink and toner market? > > They'd have to focus on rebuilding their former enterprise business, > drop the marketing commitments for that unwanted IA64 thing and move > their enterprise software to a secure and growing platform that would > not be questioned every second week by the media because its doom is so > obvious. > > jf, Have you even *looked* at the Integrity server line on other than an abstract "I hate it because it's not Alpha or x86" level? I've had the good fortune of attending a few detailed technical presentations on the Integrity line, and am starting to actually work with them- Montecito is putting the initial performance comparison issues which plagued Madison to rest; and the new zx2 chipset has hardware reliability features built into it that aren't quite Tandem-like, but they're very reminiscent of it, IMHO. And the architecting of the C-class blades is nothing short of amazing. Intelligence built into the chassis, I/O modules that VLAN all the blades in the box. When I saw my first picture of them, I thought "Damn, that looks just like avionics!" Add into the mix the price/performance difference, the decreased power and cooling requirements, and your being dismissive of I64 is well, dismissive. WWWebb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:25:25 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: John Smith [mailto:a@nonymous.com] > Sent: May 19, 2007 11:58 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? >=20 [snip ..] > Why wasn't the new data warehousing initiative from HP targetted at > VMS - > just as a for instance? >=20 Simple. It's a NSK driven initiative with heavy customization of non-top SQL. NSK is also shared nothing clustering.=20 Pro's and cons like all architectures. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:05:42 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: William Webb wrote: ... > Montecito is putting the initial performance comparison issues which > plagued Madison to rest You really need to be a *lot* more specific here if you don't want to come off as a hand-waving marketeer. Because Montecito's per-core performance just isn't much better than Madison's (about 25% higher in TPC-C, to pick one of Itanic's prime market targets - and better benchmark performances - as an example). The main thing Montecito brought to the table over Madison was power efficiency, plus the ability to place two cores in one socket (though HP also offered that with Madison, of course - though perhaps not at the highest clock rates). A minor improvement was a primitive form of hardware multi-threading that reportedly doesn't help most applications all that much (see TPC-C again, for example). Upping the per-core cache from 9 MB to 12 MB (for the top-of-the-line Itanics) was even less significant. To put it another way, Montecito improved Madison's per-core TPC-C performance about as much as POWER5+ improved POWER5's - hardly by any dramatic amount, and leaving both lines in about the same relative position (POWER modestly ahead per core in small-system commercial benchmarks like TPC-C and SAP-SD and by factors of 2x to 3x in larger systems). IIRC USIV+ has improved Sun's platform performance considerably more than Montecito has improved HP's. And the introduction of Core2Duo by Intel has been *far* more important to its x86 platform performance than the advent of Montecito was for Itanic's. So it's not at all clear why you think that Montecito had *any* significant positive effect on Itanic's relative performance standing - but you're welcome to place actual supporting evidence at our disposal if you have any to offer. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 15:25:36 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Digital *is* a Software Company? (Was Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE)) IDE)) Message-ID: <464f4f2d$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> John Smith wrote: > Arne Vajhøj wrote: >> Martin Krischik wrote: >>> http://www.tiobe.com/tpci.htm >> I know that one reader here will think one language is >> missing ... > > APL ??? The reader is Tom Linden. Arne ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2007 13:58:22 -0700 From: urbancamo Subject: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Message-ID: <1179608302.597850.152560@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> I'm getting the following error message on my DS10L running OpenVMS 8.3. I installed a new ATI 7500 PCI graphics card. I'm not sure whether there are HP specific versions of this card - this one was bought as an ATI retail card. %DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE, no graphics devices found. I previously had problems displaying X-based applications on remote displays, but that is all sorted now. I have updated the DS10L firmware to 7.2. Any help gratefully appreciated. Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:00:33 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Message-ID: <07051919003394_202002DA@antinode.org> From: urbancamo > I'm getting the following error message on my DS10L running OpenVMS > 8.3. I installed a new ATI 7500 PCI graphics card. I'm not sure > whether there are HP specific versions of this card - this one was > bought as an ATI retail card. > > %DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE, no graphics devices found. > > I previously had problems displaying X-based applications on remote > displays, but that is all sorted now. I have updated the DS10L > firmware to 7.2. Are you sure that it's an ATI Radeon 7500? I think that there's nothing special about an HP-supplied card. I use non-HP-supplied cards in my XP1000 systems (Tru64 and VMS) with no recognition trouble. My ">>>show config" output includes: Slot Option Hose 0, Bus 0, PCI [...] 12 51571002/013B1002 [...] Newer/smarter firmware may actually recognize the thing and know its name, but this is an XP1000 (hence permanently obsolete). A Google search for "pci 1002 5157" suggests that that's really an ATI Radeon 7500. ("http://pci-ids.ucw.cz/iii//?i=1002") Your ">>>show config" output might be informative. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:05:36 -0400 From: "FredK" Subject: Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Message-ID: "urbancamo" wrote in message news:1179608302.597850.152560@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... > I'm getting the following error message on my DS10L running OpenVMS > 8.3. I installed a new ATI 7500 PCI graphics card. I'm not sure > whether there are HP specific versions of this card - this one was > bought as an ATI retail card. > > %DECW$DEVICE-I-NODEVICE, no graphics devices found. > > I previously had problems displaying X-based applications on remote > displays, but that is all sorted now. I have updated the DS10L > firmware to 7.2. > > Any help gratefully appreciated. > ANAL/SYS CLUE CONFIG and tell us what it says... The ATI Radeon 7500 isn't generally still available in a retail shop, so I am guessing it is something else. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:11:33 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Message-ID: <7b76a$464fbc87$cef8887a$20748@TEKSAVVY.COM> FredK wrote: >> ANAL/SYS > CLUE CONFIG I have a DS10L and a working ATI Radeo 7500 purchased from Island. Here is what the relevant portion says: > 4800 FC GHA: 17 ATI Radeon 7500 > 3 ISA FFFFFFFF.81D10E80 0 ISA > FFFFFFFF.81D11198 0 FFFFFFFF.842C > $ show dev g/full > > Device GHA0:, device type DECwindows output device, is online, record-oriented > device, carriage control, shareable. > > Error count 0 Operations completed 1272914 > Owner process "" Owner UIC [SYSTEM] > Owner process ID 00000000 Dev Prot S:RWPL,O:RWPL,G:RWPL,W:RWPL > Reference count 1 Default buffer size 0 If you can go back to the console mode prompt >>> show config would probably provide more information in the event that VMS doesn't recognise your card and hence doesn't configure it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:00:51 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" Subject: Free HP laptop wtih $10000 or higher purchase Message-ID: Get a free BRAND NEW HP Laptop with your next purchase of $10000 or more. 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Message-ID: Main, Kerry schrieb: > > Ah yes, this would be the same analyst company that stated in 1990 that > by 1995, all mainframes would be history. > And what's wrong with that prediction ? As far as my part of the world is concerned (academia,edu) mainframes went out of service in 1994 to 1996 wherever I looked. And in the rest of the world it didn't look much different. Sure IBM still generates solid business (without having to worry about competitors), but it's nowhere near where it once was. So for most practical purposes mainframes indeed are history. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:16:26 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: <464F5B1A.40509@comcast.net> Michael Kraemer wrote: > Main, Kerry schrieb: > >> >> Ah yes, this would be the same analyst company that stated in 1990 that >> by 1995, all mainframes would be history. >> > > And what's wrong with that prediction ? > As far as my part of the world is concerned (academia,edu) > mainframes went out of service in 1994 to 1996 wherever I looked. > And in the rest of the world it didn't look much different. > Sure IBM still generates solid business (without having to > worry about competitors), but it's nowhere near where it once was. > So for most practical purposes mainframes indeed are history. > At the parent company of my late employer, there was an IBM mainframe that handled their order entry, database, etc, etc. It was still in service when I was laid off in 2004. The company that bought out the parent company was Novell based so that mainframe is probably history by now. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:15:42 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kraemer [mailto:M.Kraemer@gsi.de] > Sent: May 19, 2007 3:51 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? >=20 > Main, Kerry schrieb: >=20 > > > > Ah yes, this would be the same analyst company that stated in 1990 > that > > by 1995, all mainframes would be history. > > >=20 > And what's wrong with that prediction ? > As far as my part of the world is concerned (academia,edu) > mainframes went out of service in 1994 to 1996 wherever I looked. > And in the rest of the world it didn't look much different. > Sure IBM still generates solid business (without having to > worry about competitors), but it's nowhere near where it once was. > So for most practical purposes mainframes indeed are history. You are joking, right? While mainframes may have disappeared from Universities etc, that market is a pebble on the beach compared to financial, insurance, banks, and many other mission critical environments. Lets face it, Universities and Educational markets are extremely price sensitive and are even getting off traditional OS's like Solaris, AIX, OpenVMS etc in favour of Linux and other open source alternatives. =20 It was only a couple of years ago, there was a report that something like 50% of all *business* transactions were still done on mainframe or mainframe compatible servers. Even if that dropped a few % since then that is still a huge, huge market. For those who have not been exposed to that mainframe market, it's a bit like "if you are on a farm and you spend all your time in the chicken house, it is hard to understand just how many other animals there are and how big the farm really is." And with many Customers getting fed up with all the issues of managing so many smaller systems all over the place and that are running at less than 15% in peak times, some companies are even expanding their use of the mainframe. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:19:42 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys.no@spam.comcast.net] > Sent: May 19, 2007 12:08 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? >=20 > "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > > > Sent: May 19, 2007 12:09 AM > > > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > > > Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? > > > > > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > > > DEC VAX and the IBM mainframe. The VAX platform will be sunset > in > > > the future, > > > > > > Gartner saw the cancer in its early stages. And that cancer slowly > > > grew. > > > Now we are at the point where organs are shutting down one by > one. > > > > > > Initially, it was easy for VMS loyalists to be in denial and > pretend > > > that Gartner was wrong and that VMS wasn't dying. Since the > demise of > > > Alpha and forced migration to an even more unpopular platform, > > > Gartner > > > hasn't even bothered to continue to comment on the lack of future > for > > > VMS. > > > > > > > Ah yes, this would be the same analyst company that stated in 1990 > that > > by 1995, all mainframes would be history. > > > > Btw, did you notice in the article that this particular company was > > planning new development on the mainframe? >=20 > I believe that as used these days "mainframe" could refer to high-end > p-series > (AIX) machines, as well. >=20 > -- Not very likely. Those who work in the mainframe environment look down on Windows and all UNIX servers and call them "mid-range" which in their terms means "for running not very important stuff .." And that includes AIX. Btw, its also why many vendors have a tough time convincing these mainframe Customers to move their important stuff to UNIX or Windows platforms - it's a major culture issue. Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:10:55 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: On Sat, 19 May 2007 12:50:38 -0700, Michael Kraemer wrote: > Main, Kerry schrieb: > >> Ah yes, this would be the same analyst company that stated in 1990 that >> by 1995, all mainframes would be history. >> > > And what's wrong with that prediction ? > As far as my part of the world is concerned (academia,edu) > mainframes went out of service in 1994 to 1996 wherever I looked. > And in the rest of the world it didn't look much different. > Sure IBM still generates solid business (without having to > worry about competitors), but it's nowhere near where it once was. > So for most practical purposes mainframes indeed are history. > In the world of commerce the mainframe is still king -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: 19 May 2007 19:50:35 -0700 From: Bob Armstrong Subject: Re: MicroVAX with KDA50, RQDX3 and KFQSA configuration ?? Message-ID: <1179629435.043904.226730@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 16, 8:02 am, Stephen Hoffman wrote: > http://64.223.189.234/node/10 > ... Thanks - my experiences with the KFQSA worked out pretty well, with one exception (but more on that later!). One thing I was confused about - it turns out that the KFQSA does not need an I/O address for itself except during configuration. After it's configured, the KFQSA needs one UDA device address pair for every attached drive, and no more. One tip - if you have MSCP devices other than the KFQSA, then you definitely want the KFQSA to be the last of the MSCP controllers. If you do that, then with a little luck you can add and remove drives from the DSSI without needing to reconfigure any of your other I/O addresses. My remaining problem is that I can't seem to boot from any DSSI disk. The system is a KA655 CPU, ROM v5.3, VMB v2.7 with these MSCP devices DUAx - KDA50 DUBx - RQDX3 DUCx - RRD40/KRQ50 DUDn - DUD1 thru DUI6 - six RFxx drives Everything seems to work fine - the ROM commands SHOW DEVICE and SHOW UQSSP produce the expected results. I can boot VMS from a RA81 drive and it can see and access all the RF drives just fine. I can boot standalone backup (from the RRD40) and install VMS060 on DIA6 without any problems. But all these boot commands fail - BOOT DUI6 (gives ?41 DEVASSIGN) BOOT DUI0 (same - ?41 DEVASSIGN) BOOT RF71G$DIA6 (gives ?55 INVDEVNAM - well, OK - I didn't really expect that one to work :-) I've Googled, and found differing opinions on whether KFQSA drives are bootable on a MicroVAX-III. Is there a definitive answer on this? Thanks again, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 01:30:10 +0200 From: Dirk Munk Subject: Re: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Message-ID: AEF wrote: > On May 19, 10:51 am, Baxt...@tessco.com wrote: >> On May 19, 9:49 am, b...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: >> >>> In article <464e54ac$0$21929$157c6...@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, >>> "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > [...] >> And so long as the main effects are not expected to occur until after >> they are dead, then they see it as some one else's problem. It has >> always been like that, and I suspect it will always be like that. >> (Human nature I suppose). >> >> Governments will never legislate a response to these situations >> because the required steps will either make them unpopular, or will >> require people (and/or industries/Corporations) to change their way of >> doing things (which will make them unpopular). Because of these >> constraints, any legislation they do create is fairly insipid, and >> full of so many holes that there is a cop-out for everyone. > >> In Europe, a family car which does not give at least 45 miles/gal >> would be a non-starter, not because Europeans and particulary eco- >> friendly, but primarily because gas costs the equivalent of ~$6-7 per >> gallon, and has for about the last 10 years. As a result, almost >> all family cars are 4-cylinders with capacities less than 2 >> litres. > > Isn't the fact that gasoline is so expeinsive in Europe due to taxes? Yes, the reason is taxation. Small cars will have an engine of about 1.0 to 1.2 litres (sometimes with only 3 cylinders), standard family cars about 1.6 litres, more expensive types around 2.0 litres, all with 4 cylinders. Of course there are 6, 8 and even 12 cylinder cars, but they are expensive. Even more important is that the diesel engine is taking over the role of the gasoline engine. In countries like Italy and France over 50% of all passenger cars have a diesel engine. Their fuel consumption is much lower, and diesel engines have a lot of torque at low revolutions. Combined with 6 speed gearboxes, you can drive with 75mph and the engine is doing 1400rpm. These days the power output of a diesel engine can be higher then the output of a equal size gasoline engine. Just remember that Audi won the 24 hrs Le Man race with diesel engine powered racing cars. It would not surprise if the gasoline engine will disappear in the coming 15 years or so. Not only is it more efficient to run, but you get more diesel out of a gallon crude oil. The refinery process is more efficient. And don't forget bio diesel either !! > You've just made a good case for a carbon tax, assuming one wants to > reduce CO2 emissions. > >> The US government recently proposed that the Motor industries had to >> meet a fuel efficiency standard requiring that cars had to get ~35 mpg >> (not sure of the exact number) however it contained so many exclusions >> i.e. SUV, Pickups, etc. etc., and since ~60% of Americans drive either >> an SUV or a Pickup, what does it acheive. >> >> To get back to my original point, there is almost certainly NOT going >> to be an ecological disaster. Nature - as you so rightly point out - >> will adapt. > > Nature adapted 65 million years ago (and many other times, of course). > Ask the dinosaurs or any of the millions of other species that went > extinct due to causes other than being hunted by humans. > >> The point that most people are missing is that the disaster is going >> to be predominantly human. As was pointed out, New Orleans is > > I thought that was precisely the point that people warning about > global warming were making: More frequent and more severe tropical > storms (including hurricanes and such), massive coastal flooding, > major climatic changes affecting farming, etc., *in addition* to > species extinctions. > > [...] >> Dave. > > AEF > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:12:57 -0400 From: Bill Todd Subject: Re: OT: New Zealnders now laughing at global warming Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > Please take this chatter to another newsgroup that tolerates scientific > gadflies and diletantes. If you don't like it, feel free to butt out. > AGW is not measureable. Ah - couldn't resist putting in your own 2 cents even while complaining about the contributions of others, could you. - bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:03:43 -0400 From: "David Turner, Island Computers US Corp" Subject: Re: Still want: LK461 keyboard Message-ID: I have some for $89 DT "Rambo" wrote in message news:1179529293.500797.120430@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... >I can't believe that no one has a spare one. And I'm in very need! > I haven't expand my AS600 to full 1 GB for nothing you know! :-D > > Rambo > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:34:38 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: SYSMAN problem Message-ID: In article , "news.hp.com" wrote: > John wrote: > > SCS over IP - firt thought is that IP may allow for longer distance > > clusters. > > We already have one OpenVMS disaster-tolerant cluster customer site with > a 3,000-mile site separation distance, and that's without using IP. > > The primary challenge in longer-distance clusters is that latency due to > the speed of light over the distance may have an adverse impact on > application performance as it slows down lock operations between sites > and remote shadowset writes. > > > What is the intent of SCS over IP? Any thoughts? > > It is in direct response to the needs of a set of customers. > > Some examples: > > I worked with a VMS DT cluster customer in Chicago whose network folks > (IP bigots) believed bridging was evil and refused to allow bridging of > any sort anywhere on the metwork. > I talked with an OpenVMS customer in Texas (where VMS has a small > presence, without any clout) who had been running a multi-site cluster > for a number of years but had received a declaration from the network > group that all bridging in the network would be shut down in a year, > killing his multi-site cluster at that time. > So please enlighten us. What's so evil about bridging? -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:23:56 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: SYSMAN problem Message-ID: P. Sture wrote: > So please enlighten us. What's so evil about bridging? The younglings don't realise that a "bridge" is nothing more than a switch and think of a bridge as "legacy" stuff. Many of the younglings do not really understand ethernet. They understand IP and routers. They may have heard of ARP, but likely don't understand it. They also do not realise that ethernet supports multiple protocoles, some of which are not routable. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 02:29:06 +0000 (UTC) From: david20@alpha2.mdx.ac.uk Subject: Re: SYSMAN problem Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: >P. Sture wrote: >> So please enlighten us. What's so evil about bridging? > > >The younglings don't realise that a "bridge" is nothing more than a >switch and think of a bridge as "legacy" stuff. Many of the younglings >do not really understand ethernet. They understand IP and routers. They >may have heard of ARP, but likely don't understand it. > Well to be fair they also don't like the fact that bridging relies upon broadcasting to locate unknown devices. David Webb Security team leader CCSS Middlesex University >They also do not realise that ethernet supports multiple protocoles, >some of which are not routable. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 18:12:16 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: TCPIP programming (sockaddr_in question) Message-ID: <00A67DA8.2B0F9C71@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "John Gemignani, Jr." writes: > > > > wrote in message >news:00A67CAA.A1C5C707@SendSpamHere.ORG... >> In article , "Richard Maher" >> writes: >>> >>> >>>Hi Brian, >>> >>>I'll re-read the whole thread again tonight but do these changes yeild the >>>result you're after? >>> >>>PEER: .WORD 16,0 >>>..ADDRESS P_ADR >>>..ADDRESS P_LEN >>>..LONG 0 >>> >>>P_LEN: .LONG 0 >>>P_ADR: >>>addr_dom: .word 0 >>>port_num: .word 0 >>>host_adr: .byte 0[4] >>> .blkb 8 > > This area is too small. The SIN4 is 16 bytes and the SIN6 is much >larger, like 24-32. > There should be symbol definitions for these in $INETDEF. In C, I would >often code > up the sockaddr as a union of a sin4 and sin6. It is important to note >that you can get > an IPv4 encapsulated address using the IPv6 interfaces (there are C >macros that check > certain IPv6 address fields for the appropriate FF's that indicate >such). Please quote properly. That which you have attributed to me I did not post. I originally set the size of the structure to 8 longwords. 4*8 is, or at least was, 32 whan I went to school. SIN6$K_LENGTH is 28 so there's AMPLE space to store a SIN$, SIN44$ or SIN6$ sockaddr_in definition. Using the P3 parameter in the $QIO returns the size of data filled in the sockaddr_in. The first byte can also be used to determine the type of the sockaddr_in data returned. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.275 ************************