INFO-VAX Tue, 05 Jun 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 305 Contents: Re: Can't connect to OPA0 on XP1000 Re: Can't connect to OPA0 on XP1000 Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support VM Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support VM Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! RE: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Multiple Jobs with same name Re: Multiple Jobs with same name Re: Multiple Jobs with same name Re: Multiple Jobs with same name Re: Multiple Jobs with same name OT: Re: Paging and process state Re: Paging and process state Re: Paging and process state Re: Paging and process state Re: Paging and process state SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL and ERRLOG.SYS Re: SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL and ERRLOG.SYS SET VOL/STRUCT=5 Re: SET VOL/STRUCT=5 Re: SET VOL/STRUCT=5 Story Time Re: Story Time Re: Story Time Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Re: Upgrade to Vista from XP ? Yes or No VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Re: Whom administers openvmshobbyist.org forums? zx2000 OpenVMS/Itanium Re: zx2000 OpenVMS/Itanium Re: zx2000 OpenVMS/Itanium ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 11:31:54 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Can't connect to OPA0 on XP1000 Message-ID: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:57:53 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > In article , "Tom Linden" > writes: >> >> >> I normally connect from a W2K box through hyperterm to OPA0 >> (the top connector) but am not getting a response. >> >> Is something missing from my settings? I have the console >> set to serial. Hyperterm is set to 9600-8-N-1 >> >> Terminal: _OPA0: Device_Type: Unknown Owner: No Owner >> >> Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None >> Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24 >> >> Terminal Characteristics: >> Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escape >> No Hostsync TTsync Lowercase No Tab >> Wrap Scope No Remote No Eightbit >> Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup >> No Modem No Local_echo No Autobaud No Hangup >> No Brdcstmbx No DMA No Altypeahd Set_speed >> No Commsync Line Editing Overstrike editing No Fallback >> No Dialup No Secure server No Disconnect No Pasthru >> No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer >> Port >> Numeric Keypad No ANSI_CRT No Regis No >> Block_mode >> No Advanced_video No Edit_mode No DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2 >> No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 No DEC_CRT5 No >> Ansi_Color >> VMS Style Input > > From another source connected to the Alpha, can you $ SET HOST/DTE OPA0: > ? > If you can, use your PeeCee and see if you can talk back and forth > between > the two connections. You can also see if OPA0: is working by putting a > short on pins 2 and 3 of the OPA0: connector (TX and RX lines). If you > connect with $ SET HOST/DTE OPA0: and type with 2-3 shorted, you should > see what you type echoed back. Similarly, you could do the same with the > PeeCee. Make sure you can communication on both before persuing further. > Well, I am stumped it works on OPA0 on DS10L (7.3-1) but not XP1000 (7.3-2) and the TERM settings are identical. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:10:03 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Can't connect to OPA0 on XP1000 Message-ID: <4664C5FB.145FE1AC@spam.comcast.net> Tom Linden wrote: > > On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:57:53 -0700, VAXman- <@SendSpamHere.ORG> wrote: > > > In article , "Tom Linden" > > writes: > >> > >> > >> I normally connect from a W2K box through hyperterm to OPA0 > >> (the top connector) but am not getting a response. > >> > >> Is something missing from my settings? I have the console > >> set to serial. Hyperterm is set to 9600-8-N-1 > >> > >> Terminal: _OPA0: Device_Type: Unknown Owner: No Owner > >> > >> Input: 9600 LFfill: 0 Width: 80 Parity: None > >> Output: 9600 CRfill: 0 Page: 24 > >> > >> Terminal Characteristics: > >> Interactive Echo Type_ahead No Escape > >> No Hostsync TTsync Lowercase No Tab > >> Wrap Scope No Remote No Eightbit > >> Broadcast No Readsync No Form Fulldup > >> No Modem No Local_echo No Autobaud No Hangup > >> No Brdcstmbx No DMA No Altypeahd Set_speed > >> No Commsync Line Editing Overstrike editing No Fallback > >> No Dialup No Secure server No Disconnect No Pasthru > >> No Syspassword No SIXEL Graphics No Soft Characters No Printer > >> Port > >> Numeric Keypad No ANSI_CRT No Regis No > >> Block_mode > >> No Advanced_video No Edit_mode No DEC_CRT No DEC_CRT2 > >> No DEC_CRT3 No DEC_CRT4 No DEC_CRT5 No > >> Ansi_Color > >> VMS Style Input > > > > From another source connected to the Alpha, can you $ SET HOST/DTE OPA0: > > ? > > If you can, use your PeeCee and see if you can talk back and forth > > between > > the two connections. You can also see if OPA0: is working by putting a > > short on pins 2 and 3 of the OPA0: connector (TX and RX lines). If you > > connect with $ SET HOST/DTE OPA0: and type with 2-3 shorted, you should > > see what you type echoed back. Similarly, you could do the same with the > > PeeCee. Make sure you can communication on both before persuing further. > > > Well, I am stumped it works on OPA0 on DS10L (7.3-1) but not XP1000 (7.3-2) > and the TERM settings are identical. Does HT have the equivalent of a "data leads only" setting? I never mess with it, so I dunno... -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:37:27 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Message-ID: dan.klein@hp.com wrote: > Allow me to correct a gross inaccuracy. HP HAS NO INTENTION OF ENDING > OPENVMS FOR THE FORSEABLE FUTURE. PERIOD. > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/annmcquaid.html > www.hp.com/go/openvms If you want credibility with your statement, get those news points to go to the HP main newsroom pages as well as get those released through the press release wires. As long as statement remain hidden on the VMS web site pages only, they are not credible because it only emphasises the fact that HP corporate is not interested in releasing VMS related releases. (sorry to be blunt, but it must be said). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:02:18 -0400 From: "Syltrem" Subject: Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Message-ID: <1368ktbi3tndt6d@corp.supernews.com> "IanMiller" wrote in message news:1180795543.509584.301750@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > What did CDC say when you contacted them about this? > Nothing much so far, but I met our account representative last Friday and told him we need VMS to be able to continue interfacing with other applications we have. So if he wants us to buy stuff from them that's what we need. He said he would check what the official statement is about VMS at CDC. He was certain VMS was dead at the vendor level (HP) so why would they support it? I explained that Alpha is dead but VMS is not... Same old story, VMS is dead for everyone. Couldn't HP advertise it in some good IT papers, to let people know it's alive still ? Would that hurt them so much to spend a few thousad bucks for this ? Syltrem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:43:18 -0700 From: dan.klein@hp.com Subject: Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Message-ID: <1180989798.132784.29920@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jun 4, 2:02 pm, "Syltrem" wrote: > "IanMiller" wrote in message > > news:1180795543.509584.301750@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... > > > What did CDC say when you contacted them about this? > > Nothing much so far, but I met our account representative last Friday and > told him we need VMS to be able to continue interfacing with other > applications we have. So if he wants us to buy stuff from them that's what > we need. > He said he would check what the official statement is about VMS at CDC. > He was certain VMS was dead at the vendor level (HP) so why would they > support it? I explained that Alpha is dead but VMS is not... Same old story, > VMS is dead for everyone. Couldn't HP advertise it in some good IT papers, > to let people know it's alive still ? > Would that hurt them so much to spend a few thousad bucks for this ? > > Syltrem Greetings, Allow me to correct a gross inaccuracy. HP HAS NO INTENTION OF ENDING OPENVMS FOR THE FORSEABLE FUTURE. PERIOD. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/annmcquaid.html www.hp.com/go/openvms Any one on this usent, within HP, or outside of HP who believes or makes such a statement is simply wrong or attempting to proliferate a lie. While nothing lasts for ever and some day even the world will come to an end the fact is that ending OpenVMS is not in anyones plans at HP. Dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:23:24 GMT From: Rob Brown Subject: Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support VM Message-ID: On Mon, 4 Jun 2007 dan.klein@hp.com wrote: > On Jun 4, 2:02 pm, "Syltrem" wrote: >> "IanMiller" wrote in message >> >> news:1180795543.509584.301750@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >>> What did CDC say when you contacted them about this? >> >> He said he would check what the official statement is about VMS at CDC. >> He was certain VMS was dead at the vendor level (HP) so why would they > > Allow me to correct a gross inaccuracy. HP HAS NO INTENTION OF ENDING > OPENVMS FOR THE FORSEABLE FUTURE. PERIOD. Good. Please contact CDC and tell them. -- Rob Brown b r o w n a t g m c l d o t c o m G. Michaels Consulting Ltd. (780)438-9343 (voice) Edmonton (780)437-3367 (FAX) http://gmcl.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:46:16 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support VM Message-ID: <46648828.7060007@comcast.net> dan.klein@hp.com wrote: > On Jun 4, 2:02 pm, "Syltrem" wrote: > >>"IanMiller" wrote in message >> >>news:1180795543.509584.301750@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... >> >> >>>What did CDC say when you contacted them about this? >> >>Nothing much so far, but I met our account representative last Friday and >>told him we need VMS to be able to continue interfacing with other >>applications we have. So if he wants us to buy stuff from them that's what >>we need. >>He said he would check what the official statement is about VMS at CDC. >>He was certain VMS was dead at the vendor level (HP) so why would they >>support it? I explained that Alpha is dead but VMS is not... Same old story, >>VMS is dead for everyone. Couldn't HP advertise it in some good IT papers, >>to let people know it's alive still ? >>Would that hurt them so much to spend a few thousad bucks for this ? >> >>Syltrem > > > Greetings, > > Allow me to correct a gross inaccuracy. HP HAS NO INTENTION OF ENDING > OPENVMS FOR THE FORSEABLE FUTURE. PERIOD. > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/annmcquaid.html > www.hp.com/go/openvms > > Any one on this usent, within HP, or outside of HP who believes or > makes such a statement is simply wrong or attempting to proliferate a > lie. > > While nothing lasts for ever and some day even the world will come to > an end the fact is that ending OpenVMS is not in anyones plans at HP. > > Dan > What, if anything, is HP doing about marketing VMS? I'm sure that existing government contracts will keep VMS on life support for the next ten or fifteen years! But what about new customers? What about new applications? I'm told that even customers who want to buy VMS have a hell of a time finding anyone at HP who is willing/able to sell it to them. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:57:18 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Message-ID: <74a45$46648aee$cef8887a$1008@TEKSAVVY.COM> Main, Kerry wrote: > - there is a huge, huge glut of available CPU cycles in almost all med > to large Cust environments. By your logic, People should still be running all mighty Microvax IIs and run them at 100% CPU 7/24 instead of running faster CPUs that would not be at 100% all the time. Proble is that when you open a PDF ocument, you do not wish to wait 2 hours for it to appear. When you widthraw money from an ATM, you do not wish to wait 10 minutes for the cash to spew out because the all migty Microvax II mainframe is having to deal with a rush of widthdrawals at the moment. The fact is that your infrastructure needs to be able to handle short term heavy demand that is unpredictable. (like many people showing up at ATMs to widthdraw at the same time). And this is easily accomplished with a good process scheduler and using of process priorities. Your batch job slow down to a crawls when you open a .PDF document. There really is no need for fancy virtualisation schemes/gimmicks. If VMS were still in the desktop market, it could offer its clustering capabilities to make much better use of computing resources with batch jobs running on a workstation while the owner in idle (talking on the phone). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 19:09:49 -0400 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: June 4, 2007 5:57 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! >=20 > Main, Kerry wrote: > > - there is a huge, huge glut of available CPU cycles in almost all > med > > to large Cust environments. >=20 > By your logic, People should still be running all mighty Microvax IIs > and run them at 100% CPU 7/24 instead of running faster CPUs that > would > not be at 100% all the time. >=20 > Proble is that when you open a PDF ocument, you do not wish to wait 2 > hours for it to appear. >=20 > When you widthraw money from an ATM, you do not wish to wait 10 > minutes > for the cash to spew out because the all migty Microvax II mainframe > is > having to deal with a rush of widthdrawals at the moment. >=20 > The fact is that your infrastructure needs to be able to handle short > term heavy demand that is unpredictable. (like many people showing up > at > ATMs to widthdraw at the same time). >=20 > And this is easily accomplished with a good process scheduler and > using > of process priorities. Your batch job slow down to a crawls when you > open a .PDF document. There really is no need for fancy > virtualisation > schemes/gimmicks. >=20 > If VMS were still in the desktop market, it could offer its clustering > capabilities to make much better use of computing resources with batch > jobs running on a workstation while the owner in idle (talking on the > phone). I guess I should have clarified I was talking about servers - not desktop's. And its not just me saying this - go to any large vendor site and enter "consolidation" into their web search engine .. watch all of the references pop up .. And note that I am talking about the typical server daily PEAK utilization in PEAK times is < 20% (Wintel) and <30% (UNIX). Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT)=20 OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:05:20 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Message-ID: <4664a8b5$0$90275$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > - there is a huge, huge glut of available CPU cycles in almost all med > to large Cust environments. Hence, discussions with CIO's on newer and > faster boxes which will further increase this glut are not likely going > to meet with much enthusiasm. Number one target (by far - likely in 70% > range) for server consolidation initiatives is Wintel x86 environments. You mention this over and over again. But the customers still prefer quad 3 GHz Xeon's. > - If one breaks down the importance of the various layers to Cust's, it > would likely be something like this: App's (65%), OS (25%), HW (10%). > The App's often take advantage of the OS's functionality and features. > Lets face it, yes, the HW is important, but not as much as the App's or > the OS. True. Unfortunatetly. The apps or lack of is the biggest problem for VMS. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 12:15:44 -0600 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: Multiple Jobs with same name Message-ID: <466456d1$0$505$815e3792@news.qwest.net> Can I submit multiple jobs with the same name "Submit /name=myjob" and then issue a single "sync myjob" to wait for them all? Thanks, Mike Ober. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:11:21 -0700 From: AEF Subject: Re: Multiple Jobs with same name Message-ID: <1180984281.207527.36870@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 4, 2:15 pm, "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > Can I submit multiple jobs with the same name "Submit /name=myjob" and then > issue a single "sync myjob" to wait for them all? > > Thanks, > Mike Ober. No. AEF ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 2007 16:00:39 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Multiple Jobs with same name Message-ID: In article <1180984281.207527.36870@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > On Jun 4, 2:15 pm, "Michael D. Ober" > wrote: >> Can I submit multiple jobs with the same name "Submit /name=myjob" and then >> issue a single "sync myjob" to wait for them all? >> >> Thanks, >> Mike Ober. > > > No. But you can submit multiple command procedures as a single job: SUBMIT A.COM,B.COM,C.COM and synchronize off the common job. Of course this makes the processing sequential, but for disk-bound jobs accessing common data sequential processing might be quicker anyway. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:13:27 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Multiple Jobs with same name Message-ID: <4664C6C7.BC4B008A@spam.comcast.net> "Michael D. Ober" wrote: > > Can I submit multiple jobs with the same name "Submit /name=myjob" and then > issue a single "sync myjob" to wait for them all? No, but I have some DCL code that will collect entries and attempt to SYNCHRONIZE to the list. Example: $ @ENT SYNC Q=SYS$BATCH There is a also a function: $ @ENT GET Q=SYS$BATCH ...which will return the list of entries comma-separated in a global ENTRIES symbol. If anyone wants it I can post it to the group. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 02:21:02 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: Multiple Jobs with same name Message-ID: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) wrote in news:nvCGiPdgxRGu@eisner.encompasserve.org: > In article <1180984281.207527.36870@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, AEF > writes: >> On Jun 4, 2:15 pm, "Michael D. Ober" >> wrote: >>> Can I submit multiple jobs with the same name "Submit /name=myjob" >>> and then issue a single "sync myjob" to wait for them all? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike Ober. >> >> >> No. > > But you can submit multiple command procedures as a single job: > > SUBMIT A.COM,B.COM,C.COM > > and synchronize off the common job. Of course this makes the > processing sequential, but for disk-bound jobs accessing common > data sequential processing might be quicker anyway. > I suppose you could keep track of the job entry numbers by grabbing the value of the $ENTRY symbol after eack submit command and then use sync/entry= for each job entry recorded. However, you'll need to be prepared for an error for every entry whose job is already complete at the time the sync command is executed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:57:43 -0500 From: Dan Foster Subject: OT: Re: Paging and process state Message-ID: In article <2b0c5$466490e0$cef8887a$32333@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: > P. Sture wrote: >>> Do you mean Heisenburg? >> >> This internet thingy isn't very reliable as to the correct spelling, but >> the following looks right to me: > > I apologize... My first language is not English. > (heck, if a guy with an english name like "Dan Foster" can claim that > excuse, then Shirley, a guy with a name like Jean-François Mezei can > claim it too :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) That JF guy does a great job, all considering. :-) I may have an English name, but assumptions can be dangerous. ;) Whether it be based on names, looks, clothes, or other basis. I have no excuse for not being linguistically correct in an English speaking forum. What can I say? I accept my mistake. I'll try harder. -Dan ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 2007 13:30:02 -0500 From: briggs@encompasserve.org Subject: Re: Paging and process state Message-ID: In article , moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) writes: > briggs@encompasserve.org writes: > >>A process that is trying to access a page but has been victimized by the >>swapper will go into COMO. > > COMO means a process wants to execute, but has been swapped out by the > swapper. Indeed. >>You won't see it in COM state just because you're busy watching it >>with $ SHOW PROC /CONT. > > $GETJPI (which lies underneath SHOW PROC /CONT, as well as $ SHOW SYSTEM) > has to execute in the mode of the target process to get certain info. True, but irrelevant. Have you ever looked at a hibernating process with $ SHOW PROCESS /CONT? What did it show for process state? How about an LEF process? > Doing this means the process will be inswapped if swapped out, hence the > "Heisenberg" references earlier. Process state is in the PCB. You don't need to inswap to get it. And even if you do post an AST to get other information or to there's nothing that says you can't sample the process state first. [Doing so would be the obvious smart thing to do]. > $GETJPI can also specify not to do an inswap and therefore not get the > info as an option. This is why a $ SHOW SYSTEM shows "-- swapped out --" > for an outswapped process rather than show its CPU time and other things. Yes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:47:47 +0200 From: "P. Sture" Subject: Re: Paging and process state Message-ID: In article <1180962835.806237.296700@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > On 2 Jun, 19:46, JF Mezei wrote: > > IanMiller wrote: > > > by looking at the process you may be altering its state. > > > > Shirley the VMS engineers had been able to overcome the Eisenburg > > principle when they designed VMS ? > > > > What good is the SHOW PROC/CONT's "State" if the mere act of looking at > > its state changes it ? > > Do you mean Heisenburg? This internet thingy isn't very reliable as to the correct spelling, but the following looks right to me: -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:13:07 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Paging and process state Message-ID: <6f34b$46648ea3$cef8887a$32333@TEKSAVVY.COM> briggs@encompasserve.org wrote: > A process that has run out of page file quota will throw errors when > asked to expand process memory. It won't be page faulting as a result > of running out of quota. Mozilla (and the DECW$SERVER) may be tasked to expand their memory to the max to display a page. This will get the pgflquota down to 0. When that page is destroyed, even if the application does a "dealloc" of the memory needed to display that now destroyed page, the process still remains at pgflquota of 0 because the virtual page count for the process doesn't go down. So when Mozilla needs to display another page, it should draw from existing virtual pages and a pgflquota=0 is not an indication that it is no longer able to malloc memory at the application level. But it does mean that large structures need a lot of physical read and writes to the page file. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:22:40 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Paging and process state Message-ID: <2b0c5$466490e0$cef8887a$32333@TEKSAVVY.COM> P. Sture wrote: >> Do you mean Heisenburg? > > This internet thingy isn't very reliable as to the correct spelling, but > the following looks right to me: I apologize... My first language is not English. (heck, if a guy with an english name like "Dan Foster" can claim that excuse, then Shirley, a guy with a name like Jean-François Mezei can claim it too :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 18:48:14 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL and ERRLOG.SYS Message-ID: Looking for large files on the system disk which have been recently modified, I see SYS$SYSDEVICE:[SYS0.SYSERR]ERRLOG.SYS and SYS$SYSDEVICE:[VMS$COMMON.SYSMGR]SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL. Do both of these files need to be on the system disk? If not, is there a way to change the name and location of the files (e.g. a logical name)? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:19:23 -0700 From: IanMiller Subject: Re: SECURITY.AUDIT$JOURNAL and ERRLOG.SYS Message-ID: <1180984763.847445.38140@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com> RTFM on SET AUDIT/JOURNAL/DESTINATION and SET AUDIT/SERVER=NEW_LOG For error log try DEIFNE/SYSTEM/EXEC ERRLOG dev:[dir]ERRLOG.SYS then renaming existing error log. Both of these files should have maintainence procedures where a new one is started and the old one archived. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 14:07:40 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: SET VOL/STRUCT=5 Message-ID: On a non-system shadow set with two member DSA0: Mounted 0 COMMON 79859910 18 1 $1$DGA7: (NORNS) ShadowMergeMbr 0 (merging DSA0: 10% merged) $1$DGA8: (NORNS) ShadowMergeMbr 0 (merging DSA0: 10% merged) can I do it on DSA0 or do I have to do it on the idividual members? If so, how? I presume I need to wait until the merge has completed? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:17:17 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: SET VOL/STRUCT=5 Message-ID: <4664C7AD.749CCBDD@spam.comcast.net> Tom Linden wrote: > > On a non-system shadow set with two member > DSA0: Mounted 0 COMMON 79859910 > 18 1 > $1$DGA7: (NORNS) ShadowMergeMbr 0 (merging DSA0: 10% merged) > $1$DGA8: (NORNS) ShadowMergeMbr 0 (merging DSA0: 10% merged) > > can I do it on DSA0 or do I have to do it on the idividual members? If > so, how? Did you try: $ SET VOL/STRUCT=5 DSA0: > I presume I need to wait until the merge has completed? I would - just because things tend to run slower during merges. Shouldn't matter, though. The disk reads/writes just force that area of the disk to be merged immediately so the operation can proceed. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:31:47 -0700 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: SET VOL/STRUCT=5 Message-ID: <5ck079F303vudU1@mid.individual.net> Tom Linden wrote: > On a non-system shadow set with two member > DSA0: Mounted 0 COMMON > 79859910 18 1 > $1$DGA7: (NORNS) ShadowMergeMbr 0 (merging DSA0: 10% merged) > $1$DGA8: (NORNS) ShadowMergeMbr 0 (merging DSA0: 10% merged) > > can I do it on DSA0 or do I have to do it on the idividual members? If > so, how? > I presume I need to wait until the merge has completed? While a DGA (or any other Dxx) device is a member of a shadow set, you NEVER operate on it directly...except to remove it from or add it to a shadow set...but always operate on the DSA device. The SET VOLUME command can be issued while the merge is in progress. It should have no effect, nor be affected by, the merge. -Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:13:19 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Story Time Message-ID: <1180995199.631765.176890@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> Dear Newsgroup, A short story for you. I was in the process of changing jobs I wanted to leave the Networking group. If folks remember we had amazing products, Gigaswitches, DEChubs, routers and so on I had a couple of opportunities which is pretty amazing since I really did not have a resume (and really still do not). Anyway back to the story. One of the opportunities was with the VMS group. Now up to that point of course, just like everyone else at DEC, I had used VMS and had my own login.com file, played Adventure and Lunar Lander and had rebooted a MicroVAX with my knee (the basics). What I did know was that who ever created VMS were brilliant even if I did not understand. But of course I had a choice to make and there were loads of people willing to help me. One of the VERY helpful people told me "don't go to the VMS group it will be dead in a year, there is no future" That was July 1994, I hired into the VMS group the next week. So why am I telling you this, because I get mail and I see posts everyday saying the same thing. We have a roadmap that we meet and have done so for years and we keep our word that should count for something. We announced VMS on Blades last week do you know how cool that is? If not look at the web site before saying anything. VMS has been on VAX, Alpha now Integrity what other OS has done that? Thats cool too. We had a 19 year old and a 70 year old at the boot camp and they spoke DCL thats really cool. Epilog - the helpful person stayed in Networking, which was bought by another company that is now out of business. You decide Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:30:08 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Story Time Message-ID: <4664CAB0.B3B70522@spam.comcast.net> Sue wrote: > [snip] > Epilog - the helpful person stayed in Networking, which was bought by > another company that is now out of business. You decide One of my stories... Having been laid off from my first VMS job ((mis-)management stuffed it down the commode, as usual, but I digress), I wound up on a site with a little no-name UNIX box ("Pixel Computer" running a vendor-branded AT&T System-III, if you can handle that). As the company grew, the UNIX box got flakier and flakier until it became impossible to go 24 hours without a kernel panic. I drew on my "strong suit" MicroVAX-II, Q5 with an RA81 and a TK50 (!). Managemant was well pleased, if a bit stodgy. I left after three years for another VMS site. The UNIX->VMS site is, needless to say, no longer VMS. Windows stuff. Like many here, I've "ridden the wave" from VMS's heyday, through its free-fall into obscurity and now into its waning days as it goes deeper into obscurity. If you're like Sue and your VMS future (until you retire) is more or less assured (or you are offered a generous severance package), then I say: by all means - stay with it. If, on the other hand, your situation, like mine, is more "Darwinian" (adapt or face "extinction"), ... well, I'm sure that's enough said. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:07:09 -0700 From: davidc@montagar.com Subject: Re: Story Time Message-ID: <1181020029.542678.272580@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Jun 4, 5:13 pm, Sue wrote: > Dear Newsgroup, > So why am I telling you this, because I get mail and I see posts > everyday saying the same thing. True. I get tired of reading posts by the same folks telling me (and others that stumble into this group) how OpenVMS is dying, what next faux pas HP has committed to accelerate the death of OpenVMS, yada yada yada. No good deed seems to go unpunished, every win is back- spinned into a loss. By these standards, Linux should not exist, there was no money, no support, no marketshare. Worse than what OpenVMS has. But it exists. Because for the most part, people don't complain, they contribute. There's fewer applications available you say? Then port something. There are tons of quality applications that are GPL'd than would be great to port to OpenVMS. Not anything useful? I call BS. After all, what exactly do you think make a Linux distribution today, anyway. Technically, there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to run Gnome/ KDE on OpenVMS. Port a library or app, make a PCSI kit for it, and someone, SOMEWHERE will find a place to host it- I'd wager Warren would be happy to host/link to the kit directly off the OpenVMS page. There's thousands of hobbyists and other out there. Certainly we can make a difference. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:57:39 -0700 From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: Sun Studio 11 (Solaris IDE) Message-ID: <1181001459.902410.168900@q69g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 5, 6:57 pm, "Neil Rieck" wrote: > > I am still committed to OpenVMS and think it is the best OS in the world so > please don't take the following remarks out of context. My main intention of > this is to show how Sun is using their software to leverage hardware sales. > You can decide for yourself if OpenVMS is being promoted properly by HP. > [...snip...] Update: Sun Announces Sun Studio 12 http://www.ddj.com/dept/java/199900797 NeilRieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada.http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 21:07:22 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Upgrade to Vista from XP ? Yes or No Message-ID: <4664C55A.CA91AEC8@spam.comcast.net> Dirk Munk wrote: > > David J Dachtera wrote: > > Dirk Munk wrote: > >> Chris Sharman wrote: > >>> Katie Tam wrote: > >>>> Should I upgrade my laptop to Vista ? Good or Bad? > >>>> > >>>> Please advise > >>>> > >>>> Katie Tam > >>>> Network Administrator > >>>> http://www.linkwaves.com/main.asp > >>>> http://www.linkwaves.com/ > >>> For safety, use vmware. > >>> > >>> First install your favourite linux (I use ubuntu 6.10). > >>> Install vmware server. > >>> Then you can install xp, vista, and for that matter 2000, 98, 95 and > >>> anything else you need for compatibility. > >>> You can run any (or all) of them, each in their own little sandbox. > >>> > >>> The only thing that's missing is VMS :( > >> Of course not. There are VAX and Alpha emulators that run on Windows. I > >> know that (at least) the VAX version is even supported by HP. > > > > I think it would be safer to say that VMS is supported on those VAX/Alpha > > emulators validated by OpenVMS Engineering. > > > > To my knowledge, HP does not support any of the various CPU emulators. > > > You're right of course, that is what I meant to write. The emulators > themselves are supported by their own software companies. > > By the way, it seems that the emulators have the best performance when > they run on AMD bases systems. Indeed - my wife's old 400MHz AMD PC runs rings around my 366MHz Celeron white-box PC, more than can be accounted for by just the extra 34MHz. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:47:26 -0700 From: Sue Subject: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: <1180997246.934996.112910@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> -----Original Message----- From: Skonetski, Susan Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 4:12 PM To: Skonetski, Susan Subject: OpenVMS Update - Ok for external - Monday June 4th Dear Internal and External Distribution lists, Enclosed please find the latest VMS Update sorry for the delay, I think the size explains it. Folks where do I start, there is so much to talk about. Probably with the usual disclaimer that this is not an official newsletter just an email between friends. We have had so much happen, hopefully you have seen the Blades announcement from last week. The Boot Camp was the biggest thing recently which has also received excellent customer feedback. At this point I can honestly say the ball room for the Keynotes was standing room only and the team did an amazing job. At the Partners Roundhouse on Tuesday evening it was packed, there were folks 5 deep to look at VMS running on HP Blades and a variety of Integrity Servers. There were over 185 sessions and we added 4 based on customer request during the week. Also as you read some of our Partner news and quotes on other web sites its very interesting to see who some of our customers are. Also of note is the Parsec Operating System IQ test (see 6.5). All URLs work, they may wrap so please check before sending me email. Warm Regards as always, Sue Table of Contents 1=2E0 From OpenVMS Engineering 1.1 HP OpenVMS Announces Support for HP Blade Systems 1.2 Letter from Ann McQuaid 2=2E0 Sue's Fav's 2.1 OpenVMS Roadmaps 2.2 Server matrix 2.3 Partner application A-Z listing 2.4 Where to purchase Alphas and Options 2.5 DECedout 3=2E0 From OpenVMS.org 3.1 Audio Updates 3.2 Golden Eggs 4=2E0 In the Press 5=2E0 The National Computer Museum at Bletchley Park 6=2E0 From our Partners: 6.1 XUIS - The British Library read up on ConsoleWorks" 6.2 Announcement from XUIS 6.3 Unicenter System Watchdog for OpenVMS r2.4 SP3 Japanese OpenVMS Certification 6.4 ISE Software - New live Flash demos available, customer success story available **6.5 Parsec Operating System IQ Quiz ****** 7=2E0 Press Release - Legacy Technologies Releases SecurityGuard for Itanium ----------------------------- 1=2E0 From OpenVMS Engineering Now for the updated information. 1=2E1 Biggest news - HP OpenVMS Announces Support for HP BladeSystems http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/cclass_support.html 1=2E2 Letter from Ann McQuaid http://h71000.www7.hp.com/news/annmcquaid.html ------------------------- 2=2E0 Sue's Fav's 2=2E1 I get asked this just about every day. Here is the URL for the OpenVMS Roadmaps they are public. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/roadmap= /openvms_roadmaps.htm 2=2E2 Here is another very useful site for you. Please go to this site, it will answer many of your questions. HP OpenVMS for Integrity servers and AlphaServer systems http://h71000.www7.hp.com/servermatrix.html 2=2E3 I know I put this one in a lot, but it is constantly changing Alphabetical listing of OpenVMS business partners and profiles http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/index.html ---------------- 2=2E4 Where to buy Alphas if you still need them EMEA (Europe, Middle East, Africa), AP, Japan http://h40046.www4.hp.com/ Americas http://h20330.www2.hp.com/hpfinancialservices/cache/257411-0-0-225= -121.html ---------------- 2=2E5 *****Anyone that remembers DEC (you do not need to have worked for DEC, I checked and have the email to confirm) can join - ...a website established to benefit anyone and everyone who ever worked for Digital Equipment Corporation, regardless of where they live or for whom they work now http://www.decedout.org/ ****** ----------------- 3=2E0 From OpenVMS.org www.openvms.org 3=2E1 Audio Updates - http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=3DVPN Make sure you give feedback - you make a difference Did you know that openvms.org was in three languages, French, Dutch and Italian? There is also an article with blogs from the boot camp along with attendee quotes. 3=2E2 Golden Eggs - This is one of my favorite parts of openvms.org - If you are new Golden Eggs is a configuration library done voluntarily by Matti Patari, Helsinki Finland. He has done some amazing work including Alpha, Integrity (all sizes) and Prolient, VMS and other OS's. Take a look http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=3DGoldenEggs -------------------------- 4=2E0 In the Press http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS9469673388.html Mimer Information Technology is readying a new version of its SQL database for mobile devices. Slashdot question - http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=3D07/05/12/10592= 58 ---------------------------- 5=2E0 The National Computer Museum at Bletchley Park From: Kevin Murrell [kevin_AT_tnmoc_DOT_org] The National Computer Museum at Bletchley Park in the UK run their web accessible retro operating systems on an OpenVMS host under the Hobbyist programme. SIMH is used to simulate hardware for running several early Digital operating systems, such as OS8, RT11 and RSTS. It was important for the museum to able to provide a secure and resilient system for computer historians and scientists - the system manager at the museum, Kevin Murrell, said he wouldn't consider putting a system on the web, and offering open logins, unless he was sure both the server and their internal business systems were absolutely secure. The system runs on an Alpha Server 800. The museum has several earlier machines running VMS include a VAX 750 and a MicroVAX 3. The retro O/S emulation machine can be accessed via http://retrobeep.no-ip.org and is available 24/7. Find out more about the Museum here: http://www.ccht.co.uk/index.htm ------------------ 6=2E0 From our Partners: 6=2E1 Folks you have to look at this on the XUIS web site "The British Library read up on ConsoleWorks" http://www.xuis.com/documents/consoleworks= /74.pdf 6=2E2 Also from XUIS - http://www.xuis.com/products/schedule/ from their web site - Most batch job scheduling software is native to only one platform; not XS-EnterpriseSCHEDULE, which is extending the boundaries of automated job scheduling as the pre-eminent job scheduler for Windows, AIX, OpenVMS, HPUX, Linux, Solaris and Tru64 UNIX. ------------------- 6=2E3 Unicenter System Watchdog for OpenVMS r2.4 SP3 Japanese OpenVMS Certification CA is pleased to announce certification of Unicenter System Watchdog for OpenVMS r2.4 SP3 when used on Japanese OpenVMS. This is an English only product there is no double-byte support for non-English characters. No patches are required for Japanese OpenVMS. Please refer to the support matrix for product patches or version support for OpenVMS Alpha. All English OpenVMS product patches would be required on Japanese OpenVMS For more information see http://supportconnectw.ca.com/public/uniwatchdogopenvms/uniwatchdog_supp.asp Robert E. Puishys Jr. CA ------------------------ 6=2E4 ISE Software New live Flash demos available - http://www.i-s-e.com/ EnterpriseSCHEDULE is the job scheduler that runs native on Windows, OpenVMS, HP-UX, AIX, Linux, Solaris and Tru64UNIX. With the release of the new Web client for browser based scheduling and the Windows NT/ 2000/XP client, jobs can now be managed, controlled and monitored from a single workstation across all varieties of operating systems. http://www.i-s-e.com/Success/ISE_Success_Story_36/ - Campus Credit Union ------------------------- 6=2E5 Parsec OS IQ Quiz For all of you OpenVMS and Tru64 fanatics, PARSEC Group has initiated an IQ quiz to test your knowledge of the best operating systems on the planet. The quiz questions range from user level through internals with a few trivia questions thrown in just for fun. You can sign up to have a multiple-choice question sent to you via email either once or twice a week. There is even a Hall-Of-Fame set up to give recognition to those of you real OpenVMS and Tru64 wizards. Come on and give it a try!! Signing up is easy, just go to http://www.parsec.com/general/iqquiz.p= hp to sign up today. 7=2E0 Press Release - Legacy Technologies Releases SecurityGuard for Itanium Legacy Technologies Releases SecurityGuard for Itanium The most powerful security product offered on the OpenVMS platform --- now available on Itanium. Spanish Fork, UT - October 1, 2006 -- Legacy Technologies, LLC the leader in Security Software for the OpenVMS platform, announced today that the most powerful security product available for OpenVMS, SecurityGuard, is now available for Itanium. Security Guard augments the security that is inherent in OpenVMS. The software does not seek to replace security features built into the operating system, but rather adds security to existing areas not protected. It contains three separate security products (AUDIT, INTRUDER ALERT, and KBLOCK) that when combined make up the SecurityGuard product, the most powerful Security tool available for Itanium. =B7 Audit enhances native security by providing terminal session logging, audit trail reduction, analysis, and reporting, not otherwise available on OpenVMS systems. =B7 Intruder Alert provides real-time intrusion detection and response capabilities, which enable administrators to proactively manage computing environment security. =B7 KBLock enhances native OpenVMS Security for VAX/Alpha and Itanium, by providing easily implemented protections to unattended active terminals. Such functionality is not otherwise available in standard OpenVMS environments. About ProvN You may notice we have a new name: ProvN. We are committed to providing the same great products and support. Our products have "proven" to be effective both financially and technically in today's ever demanding enterprise systems. We look forward to continuing to provide ProvN solutions. ProvN provides a wide range of IT solutions for organizations of all sizes using OpenVMS, UNIX, Windows, NT and XP Client-Server computing environments. The long standing stability of these IT solutions and our superior technical services are the hallmark of ProvN's success. ProvN is committed to taking their customers well into the 21st century. Contact: Julia Layton Legacy Technologies 8252 South 1200 West Spanish Fork, UT 84660 Phone: 801-446-5739 Fax 801-798-8811 JuliaL@Legacy-2000.com www.Legacy-2000.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 22:58:46 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: <00A68A62.D7C87921@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article <1180997246.934996.112910@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: {...snip...} > >Alphabetical listing of OpenVMS business partners and profiles >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/index.html What is the difference between "Integrity Ready" and "Integrity Certified'? Nice to see I'm missing from that list. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 16:08:50 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: <1180998530.031110.257160@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Jun 4, 6:58 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article <1180997246.934996.112...@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: > {...snip...} > > > > >Alphabetical listing of OpenVMS business partners and profiles > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/index.html > > What is the difference between "Integrity Ready" and "Integrity Certified'? > > Nice to see I'm missing from that list. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" I do not know but I will find out. sue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 07:29:06 +0800 From: "Richard Maher" Subject: Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: Hi Brian, > Nice to see I'm missing from that list. You're not alone :-( Cheers Richard Maher wrote in message news:00A68A62.D7C87921@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article <1180997246.934996.112910@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Sue writes: > {...snip...} > > > >Alphabetical listing of OpenVMS business partners and profiles > >http://h71000.www7.hp.com/partners/index.html > > What is the difference between "Integrity Ready" and "Integrity Certified'? > > Nice to see I'm missing from that list. > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:30:40 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: <00A68A6F.AE856667@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > >Hi Brian, > >> Nice to see I'm missing from that list. > >You're not alone :-( I'd wager that HP doesn't associate itself with its usenet vocal customers. ;) -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:52:23 -0700 From: signem@gmail.com Subject: Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: <1181011943.194494.291720@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 4, 8:30 pm, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > In article , "Richard Maher" writes: > > > > >Hi Brian, > > >> Nice to see I'm missing from that list. > > >You're not alone :-( > > I'd wager that HP doesn't associate itself with its usenet vocal customers. ;) > > -- > VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM > > "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" Oops. Let me correct my misstatement. I just found that in February you did respond to us and told us not to contact you for status information in the future. I'm just totally amazed at all the complaining I read on this forum, only to realize that some people who complain are actually part of the problem rather than being part of the solution. We welcome input from vocal customers and partners. Come on folks. Put your energies to positive use. Signe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:18:08 +0200 From: "Martin Vorlaender" Subject: Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:47:26 +0200, Sue wrote: > Did you know that openvms.org was in three languages, French, Dutch > and Italian? ... and German. http://de.openvms.org/ cu, Martin -- One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! One OS to find them | work: mv@pdv-systeme.de One OS to bring them all | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaender@t-online.de ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:31:58 -0700 From: Sue Subject: Re: VMS Update Monday June 4th Message-ID: <1181014318.168866.191010@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> On Jun 4, 11:18 pm, "Martin Vorlaender" wrote: > On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:47:26 +0200, Sue wrote: > > Did you know that openvms.org was in three languages, French, Dutch > > and Italian? > > ... and German.http://de.openvms.org/ > > cu, > Martin > -- > One OS to rule them all | Martin Vorlaender | OpenVMS rules! > One OS to find them | work: m...@pdv-systeme.de > One OS to bring them all | http://www.pdv-systeme.de/users/martinv/ > And in the Darkness bind them.| home: martin.vorlaen...@t-online.de How could I forget my dear friends in Germany, we have such a wonderful time when we are together. Not to mention how well everyone treated me at DECUS. They really know what extended famil is!!! I have new brothers now. Sue ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jun 2007 15:56:55 -0500 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: Whom administers openvmshobbyist.org forums? Message-ID: In article <1180973257.837064.78340@n4g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>, davidc@montagar.com writes: > Just a note, though, I've modified the > forum software to require javascript to Register for the board. While your decision that hobbyists do not care about security is not harmful to me, other people might feel differently. I just looked at your site though and was able to get several pages in with no complaint about the fact that I do not have JavaScript enabled. It is not polite to require people to enter lots of data and _then_ tell them you require Javascript. (I presume you tell them eventually rather than just failing -- I did not go past the screen that asks for profile information.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:53:35 -0400 From: Chip Coldwell Subject: zx2000 OpenVMS/Itanium Message-ID: Does anybody know if I can boot OpenVMS/Itanium (8.3?) on an HP zx2000 workstation? If so, where can I get the media? I assume the hobbyist license extends to 8.3/Itanium. Chip -- Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell "Turn on, log in, tune out" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 13:11:07 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: zx2000 OpenVMS/Itanium Message-ID: On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:53:35 -0700, Chip Coldwell wrote: > > Does anybody know if I can boot OpenVMS/Itanium (8.3?) on an HP zx2000 > workstation? If so, where can I get the media? I assume the hobbyist > license extends to 8.3/Itanium. > > Chip > Yes, I have it running on such. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2007 00:34:31 GMT From: winston@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU (Alan Winston - SSRL Central Computing) Subject: Re: zx2000 OpenVMS/Itanium Message-ID: <00A68A57.13043124@SSRL.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU> In article , "Tom Linden" writes: >On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 12:53:35 -0700, Chip Coldwell > wrote: > >> >> Does anybody know if I can boot OpenVMS/Itanium (8.3?) on an HP zx2000 >> workstation? If so, where can I get the media? I assume the hobbyist >> license extends to 8.3/Itanium. >> >> Chip >> >Yes, I have it running on such. Incidentally, I have several of those workstations left, still sitting in my garage after about a year. Several people were interested in them when I posted last, and I managed to move a couple, but have lost my list of interested people. So, folks out there, especially DECUS/freeware VMS-community contributors, if you want a zx2000 and will pay shipping plus maybe some kind of lagniappe (trade of a Radeon card that will work in these things, for example), I've got a couple more. -- Alan ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.305 ************************