INFO-VAX Sun, 02 Mar 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 123 Contents: Re: Buying disks for DS10s Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Samba as a client (was Re: Eunice ) Re: Samba as a client (was Re: Eunice ) Re: Samba as a client (was Re: Eunice ) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2008 16:47:10 -0800 (PST) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Buying disks for DS10s Message-ID: On Feb 29, 10:25 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > yyyc186 wrote: > > On Feb 27, 12:56 pm, "Richard B. Gilbert" > > wrote: > > >>yyyc186 wrote: > > >>>Here is a much better question: > > >>>Has anyone tried any of those 2TB network enclosures you see being > >>>sold at places like Microcenter? They claim to have a Gigabit > >>>interface. I was wondering if they could be made to play with a DS10 > >>>running a hobbiest license. I don't mind leaving the boot disk on the > >>>DS10, but was thinking it would make getting 2TB of storage worth > >>>while if I could spread it across many machines. > > > I only have a passing interest in this. My Alpha is currently powered > > off. Other than sending out an email when the SOA book is finally > > printed, I don't have plans to turn it back on. If HP hadn't > > completely and officially abandoned OpenVMS, I might have followed > > through in helping to port PostGreSQL to OpenVMS so we could have a > > REAL database which was OpenSource on the platform. (MySQL is > > OpenSource, but not a REAL database. The InnoDB it actually uses is > > now owned by Oracle and Oracle will be squeezing that orange shortly.) > > > The 2TB boxes interest me only because I could share disk space > > between my Ubuntu workstation, Ubuntu notebook, and Alpha. I was > > hoping to avoid setting up yet another server to be a file server. I > > could have left Netware running if I wanted to do that. Then again, > > this only works if there is a reasonably cheap GigaBit card for the > > DS10 and if I upgrade my internal office network to GigaBit. > > Please be a little more careful with your attributions and/or trimming!! > I did not write ANY of the above text! > > Richard B. Gilbert Sorry, I nuked a bit too much trying to be polite and note quote the entire thing. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 16:42:03 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Message-ID: <47c9ce15$0$10289$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Main, Kerry wrote: > A company selling that many copies per month also does not decide to slash > the cost of the product world wide in order to stimulate demand. There are lots of issues with regards to Vista. Microsoft decided to have a very stringent hardware requiremenent for it. Without it, your machine is essentially an XP machine because the Vista glitz is disabled. Because of this, very few people are bothering with an upgrade of their existing machine. They will get Vista whenever they upgrade their PC. As such, Microsoft isn't seeing much demand for upgrades. And its revenue base is from the Winodws tax charged to wintel makers for just about every wintel box built. This is assured revenu no matter how good/bad windows is, it is simply relative to the health of the PC industry. Note that the recent price cut announcement only deals with *certain* versions of the shrinkwrapped Windows product. It does not cover the price charged by Microsoft to wintel manufacturer. While many rejoice at any bad news related to Microsoft, those news cover only a small portion of the Windows revenus since nobody has mentioned bad news with regards to the window tax on newbuilt Witel boxes. ------------------------------ Date: 02 Mar 2008 01:58:33 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Message-ID: <47ca09c9$0$5620$607ed4bc@cv.net> In article <47c9ce15$0$10289$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: >Main, Kerry wrote: > >> A company selling that many copies per month also does not decide to slash >> the cost of the product world wide in order to stimulate demand. > >There are lots of issues with regards to Vista. Microsoft decided to >have a very stringent hardware requiremenent for it. Without it, your >machine is essentially an XP machine because the Vista glitz is disabled. > >Because of this, very few people are bothering with an upgrade of their >existing machine. They will get Vista whenever they upgrade their PC. > >As such, Microsoft isn't seeing much demand for upgrades. And its >revenue base is from the Winodws tax charged to wintel makers for just >about every wintel box built. This is assured revenu no matter how >good/bad windows is, it is simply relative to the health of the PC industry. > >Note that the recent price cut announcement only deals with *certain* >versions of the shrinkwrapped Windows product. It does not cover the >price charged by Microsoft to wintel manufacturer. > >While many rejoice at any bad news related to Microsoft, those news >cover only a small portion of the Windows revenus since nobody has >mentioned bad news with regards to the window tax on newbuilt Witel boxes. This is one of the reasons that I'm reluctant to buy new intel based Macs. Am I or am I not paying Billzebub tax because a new Mac can run Weendoze? Nobody in the Apple camp has been able to clarify this. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:12:22 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Message-ID: <47ca3734$0$90266$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Main, Kerry wrote: > A company selling that many copies per month also does not decide to slash > the cost of the product world wide in order to stimulate demand. Nonsense. MS profit maximize. If they make more money lowering the price then they lower the price. No matter the quantity sold. > According to various reports, most of the new copies per month are new PC's > where the buyer either does not have a choice or does not know better. > > (see earlier discussion about gamers buying new PC's, but then putting XP > on them after they are purchased. I don't think MS cares. Would HP care if they sold millions of Itaniums per months with VMS license and customers installed another OS ? I don't think so. As long as they get their money they are happy. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 00:28:02 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Message-ID: <47ca3adf$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > This is one of the reasons that I'm reluctant to buy new intel based Macs. > Am I or am I not paying Billzebub tax because a new Mac can run Weendoze? > Nobody in the Apple camp has been able to clarify this. I thought that (charging per windows capable computer sold instead of windows sold) was one of the practices found illegal in court ? Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 01:28:47 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Long term archiving of VMS stuff Message-ID: <47ca4969$0$31253$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > This is one of the reasons that I'm reluctant to buy new intel based Macs. > Am I or am I not paying Billzebub tax because a new Mac can run Weendoze? > Nobody in the Apple camp has been able to clarify this. Intel based MACs use EFI as console environment. Windows does not support EFI booting on its 8086 versions (32 or 64 bits versions). Intel Macs do not come with any windows licenses. You can buy a shrinkwrapped version of Windows, and use the "bootcamp" software from OS-X which customises a windows install partition with drivers and EFI boot support. So you can safely buy an intel mac confident no money will go to microsoft unless you go and buy a version of windows. You cannot buy an empty intel mac and just install Windows on it. It needs bootcamp from OS-X. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 20:12:11 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Samba as a client (was Re: Eunice ) Message-ID: Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > > And what about client stuff? HP's making a big deal about samba -- but they only ported > the server side. Why can't I mount a samba share on my VMS box?? For the same reason that you can not mount one on HP-UX, AIX, TRU-64. It is documented at the samba.org website. The smbmount program exists only for LINUX and BSD UNIX variants. The smbmount program requires changes to the internals of the platforms, and the developers of smbmount do not have access to those. Doing smbmount may be doable on VMS, if you were to write a file system ACP. It would have to access the TCP/IP stack in exec mode, and you would need something to map UICs and Identifiers to Microsoft GUIDS for usernames and group names. -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2008 23:20:55 GMT From: Tad Winters Subject: Re: Samba as a client (was Re: Eunice ) Message-ID: "John E. Malmberg" wrote in news:vMiyj.57067$yE1.13177@attbi_s21: > Stanley F. Quayle wrote: >> >> And what about client stuff? HP's making a big deal about samba -- >> but they only ported the server side. Why can't I mount a samba >> share on my VMS box?? > > For the same reason that you can not mount one on HP-UX, AIX, > TRU-64. > > It is documented at the samba.org website. > > The smbmount program exists only for LINUX and BSD UNIX variants. > The smbmount program requires changes to the internals of the > platforms, and the developers of smbmount do not have access to > those. > > Doing smbmount may be doable on VMS, if you were to write a file > system ACP. It would have to access the TCP/IP stack in exec mode, > and you would need something to map UICs and Identifiers to > Microsoft GUIDS for usernames and group names. > > -John > wb8tyw@qsl.network > Personal Opinion Only > I'm not real clear on what you're saying. On and old version of Samba, maybe 1.7.9 on VMS, I was able to use smbmount to a Windows 2000 server share and read and write files. It broke with Windows 2003 server. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:12:34 GMT From: "John E. Malmberg" Subject: Re: Samba as a client (was Re: Eunice ) Message-ID: Tad Winters wrote: > "John E. Malmberg" wrote in > news:vMiyj.57067$yE1.13177@attbi_s21: >> It is documented at the samba.org website. >> >> The smbmount program exists only for LINUX and BSD UNIX variants. >> The smbmount program requires changes to the internals of the >> platforms, and the developers of smbmount do not have access to >> those. > > I'm not real clear on what you're saying. On and old version of Samba, > maybe 1.7.9 on VMS, I was able to use smbmount to a Windows 2000 server > share and read and write files. It broke with Windows 2003 server. I think you were referring to smbclient, which is a command line utility to transfer files from Microsoft Windows and samba servers to a host. If someone has ported smbmount to VMS, I think I would have heard of it. As I have not looked at the HP offering for over a year and a half, I do not know if it is in the package. I know of no reason that the current smbclient could not run on VMS. Before I left HP, I had completed the code to make select() work on both sockets and terminals, which is needed for smbclient. With out that code, or special VMS code, smbclient times out connections while waiting at a command prompt. The routines to make select() and poll() work on terminals, x11 and pipes in addition to sockets is also in the glib port at ftp.encompasserve.org/gnv . -John wb8tyw@qsl.network Personal Opinion Only ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.123 ************************