INFO-VAX Tue, 06 Mar 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 129 Contents: Re: Alpha firmware questions Re: Alpha Server 1200 memory configuration quiz Re: DECforms Re: DNS- What I'm doing wrong? Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Re: Firmware-downgrade Re: For Charlie Hammond and his excellent DCL checker. Re: Is it possible to boot OpenVMS from an IDE disk on an ES40? Re: SAMBA on OpenVMS with OS X client Re: set up MICR printing on OpenVMS and Powerhouse Re: VAX 7000-640 Re: VAX 7000-640 Re: VAX 7000-640 Re: VAX 7000-640 Re: VAX 7000-640 Re: VMS and storage subsystems documentation ? Re: VMS and storage subsystems documentation ? Re: VOLSHAD - how many I/Os when used Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 03:04:46 GMT From: rdeininger@mindspringdot.com (Robert Deininger) Subject: Re: Alpha firmware questions Message-ID: In article <101c$45eaf1bf$cef8887a$32372@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei wrote: >First, does HP have a stated policy with regards to continued updates on >Alpha machines ? (to allow newer PCI cards for instance etc etc) ? I don't know if there's stated policy, but there's almost nothing in the pipeline in the way of new PCI support. Recent work has included some ROHS-compiliant versions of stuff, and routine behind-the-scenes hardware revisions to replace end-of-line components and such. Nothing particularly new or interesting from a user's point of view. Some 3rd parties (Nemonix comes to mind, for example) are continuing to release support for new I/O stuff on Alpha. >Secondly, lets say, for the sake of discussion, that HP were to make the >firmware for DS10Ls "open sourced". Sounds likely to be a fairly silly discussion. But this IS comp.os.vms, so why not? >How is the firmware written ? Raw Alpha assembler ? C ? Some weird and >wonderful language ? Something like Mozilla that requires a bazillion tools >and middleware to compile a single image ? The SRM firmware I have seen is mostly C. The PALcode is mostly assembler. I've never seen the source for any SROM firmware. The FW for most recent Alpha systems is built on VMS. >What sort of tools would be needed to compile/build a firmware image that >could then be flashed onto the server with the server's firware update >capabilities ? I assume most of the build tools are standard VMS stuff, but I've never seen any details. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2007 15:19:26 -0800 From: timotist@freemail.hu Subject: Re: Alpha Server 1200 memory configuration quiz Message-ID: <1173136766.200769.177090@c51g2000cwc.googlegroups.com> On Mar 5, 6:47 am, Jeff Campbell wrote: > timot...@freemail.hu wrote: > > On Mar 3, 9:22 pm, Tad Winters > > wrote: > >> timot...@freemail.hu wrote innews:1172869244.454459.238780@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: > > >>> Same kind of problem here. Well, in fact i am an Alpha newbie, so i > >>> guess i messed up something. Anyways: it's anAlphaServer1200 box, > >>> one 5/533 cpu, 2 sticks of 128MB RAM branded Compaq 20-A1200-08 for a > >>> total of 256MB. Works quite well, but i managed to pick up 4 new > >>> modules for a really friendly price, which are: IBM 64MB 100MHz > >>> registered ECC SD, FRU 33L3068. > >>> So with the 128MB modules in slot0, and 64MB modules in slot1&2, i > >>> turn on the system and SRM shows this: > >>> 0 DIMM 256 0 > >>> 1 DIMM 0 20000000 - not configured properly > >>> 2 DIMM 0 40000000 - not configured properly > >>> Without the original modules (64MB sticks in 0&1) i don't even get > >>> SRM. > >>> Possible clue is, while the Compaq modules have 9 chips on either side > >>> of them, the IBM's got 9 chips total (4 on one side, 5 on the other). > >>> Maybe they are single sided modules and that's a problem? > >>> Any help is much appreciated! > >>> Cheers, > >>> Tamas > >> It's been too long since I examined the memory options for the 1200. > >> However, somewhere along the way I remember firmware being an issue. Make > >> sure your firmware is up to the newest level and then try again. (Largest > >> modules in the lowest numbered slots.) > > > Updated the firmware to the latest version for the AS1200 (v6.0-4), > > but it's still the same. Anyways, thanks for the suggestion. > > > Tamas > > I did a quick Google search but did not find what I was looking for - > the layout of the IBM memory stick. That is, how *wide*, in terms of > bits, the output bus is. > > The AS1200 memory bus is 144 bits wide, each memory card slot supplies > 72 bits. If the IBM memory you have is 36 bits wide, it won't ever work. > > Jeff > > ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==----http://www.newsfeeds.comThe #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups > ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- Okay, here's what i found out: the Compaq modules have 18 Micron 48LC8M8A2 -10B chips. According to google, these are 8Mx8bit chips. 18 of them should be 128MB plus ECC alright. The IBM modules have 9 Hyundai HY57V658020B chips, which are 8Mx8bit too. 9chip x 8bit should be 72 bit width, right? And the module size should be 64MB plus ECC. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:49:50 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: DECforms Message-ID: yyyc186@hughes.net schrieb: > On Mar 1, 11:08 pm, Michael Kraemer wrote: > > I ran Warp 5 for several years. It was available here in the USA at > least. Hard to believe. Germany was one of the countries with the highest OS/2 exposure so it would have appeared here to. Warp 4 came in 1996, 4.5 was more a server release which later included SMP and such. A real "Warp 5" never existed. > > > Serenity wasn't exactly paid by MS. Why should they ? Warp 4 and later is an IBM product. > > Lattice was the original C compiler sold under private label by MS > with a non-compete agreement, but we see just how well MS honored that > non-compete agreement. So we are talking a different product here. The Lattice I know of has nothing to do with M$ whatsoever. As said they were bought by SAS Institute (who have nothing to do with M$ either) who continued the Amiga product until C= went under. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:22:51 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm doing wrong? Message-ID: Rambo wrote: > So I'm playing with VMS now happily on AS600, yet I have a little > problem. > I successfully configured interface we0 for DHCP, I'm getting address, > my routing works, unfortunately I have problems with DNS: There have been many similar expeiences in the past little while, all due to VMS being a DHCP client. A normal "static" configuration would look like this: $ tcpip show name BIND Resolver Parameters Local domain: chocolate.ca System State: Started, Enabled Transport: UDP Domain: chocolate.ca Retry: 2 Timeout: 5 Servers: node1, node2 Path: No values defined Process State: Enabled Transport: Domain: Retry: Timeout: Servers: Path: (where node1 and node2 are defined in the local HOSTs database, otherwise you would see an IP address). /DOMAIN = default domain. (so a request for node1 ends up being node1.chocolate.ca ) /PATH is like /DOMAIN except it accepts a list of domains. (having IP addresses in there doesn't really make sense) /SERVER=(ip1, ip2) defines the actual remote DNS servers in order of preference. If ip1 and ip2 are already defined in the local hosts database ( SET HOST node1 /address=1.2.3.4 ) then you can sepcify theur names instead of IP address). So, in the above example: TCPIP> SET NAME/SYSTEM /DOMAIN=chocolate.ca - /SERVERS=(node1,node2) /ENABLE would do the trick. But before doing that, you would need to remove the previous data. (SET NAME/SYSTEM /NODOMAIN=xxx /NOSERVER=xxx /NOPATH=xxx etc) When you define the interface, it may ask you for a domain (it does when defining a static IP). Make sure you provide the same domain as that which will be served to you in the DHCP answer. You might be able to fix to work now, but it would still be broken next time you reboot or DHCP lease changes. You'd need to find out why the DHCP client misconfigured the bind resolver. In the manual, there may be logicals that you can define to enable tracing of the dhcp client to see exactly what it gets from the DHCP server and what it does with the information. You are not the first one to have problems with this. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 00:37:08 +0100 From: Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: <20070306003708.89b892a1.m_roguski@yahoo.com> TCPIP> SET NAME/SYSTEM /ENABLE And all is good now :D Why it hasn't been engaged, I have no idea- but after adding that suboption even if domain name mismatches (which is actually true, because id.uw.edu.pl is not authoritative reply: authoritative is InDz.noname.net.icm.edu.pl), resolver works like charm... Now to get a mozilla :D I wonder, is there an implementation of VNC for VMS? Rambo PS.: Have you ever wondered about balance in nature? Just when I brought AS to life... my PC (which was NFS storage, BOINC engine and overally entertainment machine) died :D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:40:37 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: <45ECE2B5.6609A56F@spam.comcast.net> Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski wrote: > > TCPIP> SET NAME/SYSTEM /ENABLE > > And all is good now :D > > Why it hasn't been engaged, I have no idea- but after adding that > suboption even if domain name mismatches (which is actually true, > because id.uw.edu.pl is not authoritative reply: authoritative is > InDz.noname.net.icm.edu.pl), resolver works like charm... > > Now to get a mozilla :D > I wonder, is there an implementation of VNC for VMS? O.k. I'll bite: What is VNC? (Remember: Using UN*Xly terms in a VMS newsgroup is very likely to elicit confused looks, "HUH???!!!"s and other undesirable responses. If you use a term, be sure to define it.) -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 06:07:00 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: DNS- What I'm NOT doing wrong Message-ID: In article <45ECE2B5.6609A56F@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera wrote: > Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski wrote: > > > > TCPIP> SET NAME/SYSTEM /ENABLE > > > > And all is good now :D > > > > Why it hasn't been engaged, I have no idea- but after adding that > > suboption even if domain name mismatches (which is actually true, > > because id.uw.edu.pl is not authoritative reply: authoritative is > > InDz.noname.net.icm.edu.pl), resolver works like charm... > > > > Now to get a mozilla :D > > I wonder, is there an implementation of VNC for VMS? > > O.k. I'll bite: What is VNC? > "Virtual Network Computing" from the University of Cambridge. You can control one system from another. http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/vnc/index.html To the OP, yes, there is a VMS port of the VNC viewer which is what I used to use to control my PC indoors from a VAX outdoors when the weather was fine :-) The port is available from links at: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/vnc/platforms.html#vms -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:37:19 -0600 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Firmware-downgrade Message-ID: <45ECE1EF.1852C855@spam.comcast.net> dan.gillbjer@telia.com wrote: > > Yes, You are right, normally newer firmware can handle older OS'es. > During the late -99 I was travelling all over , upgrading Alpha's from > whatever OVMS-version to V7.2 (because of the Y2K-hype), and I > remember that this upgrade was a one-way road. > After firmware-upgrade it was no longer possible to reboot on the old > VMS-version (6.x). > In front of me (as I write ) I have an AS255 plus 3 disks. > One RZ26 loaded with 7.2 > Two RZ28 with 6.2-1H3. > The AS255 happily boots on 7.2, but not fully on any 6.2-1H3 . > > It comes to the point where it looks like the old non-graphic days on > a VT220-screen, where accounting info and other stuff where the last > output on the screen before it was possible to login. > But when I press return to login , nothing happends. > Ctrl/P sends me back to console-mode. > WINDOW_SYSTEM is set to 1 , and SYSTARTUP_P1 is blank. > (I have tried to min-boot the machine, without success). > > >> show config > SRM Console : V7.0-9 > PALcode : VMS PALcode V5.56-2 Sounds more like a DECwindows issue. Put this in V6.2(-1H3)'s SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM before DECW$STARTUP or in SYLOGICALS.COM and try again: $ define/system/exec decw$ignore_workstation true ..., or try CTRL-F2 at the graphic console keyboard and see if something "magical" happens. -- David J Dachtera dba DJE Systems http://www.djesys.com/ Unofficial OpenVMS Marketing Home Page http://www.djesys.com/vms/market/ Unofficial Affordable OpenVMS Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/soho/ Unofficial OpenVMS-IA32 Home Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/ia32/ Unofficial OpenVMS Hobbyist Support Page: http://www.djesys.com/vms/support/ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2007 11:58:10 -0800 From: "Charlie" Subject: Re: For Charlie Hammond and his excellent DCL checker. Message-ID: <1173124689.651086.134970@64g2000cwx.googlegroups.com> On Mar 2, 4:39 pm, "Craig A. Berry" wrote: > While we're tweaking this excellent tool, I think I found a false > diagnostic in v3.4-C, which I can boil down to this little reproducer: > > $ create foo.com > $ IF f$length("foo ") .GT. 76 > $ THEN write sys$output "too long" > $ ENDIF > ^Z > > After running the checker (and with all the other output snipped), I get > > LINE CODE --DIAGNOSTIC MESSAGE-- > 1 WCT-E wrong constant type for comparison > > Since F$LENGTH does return an integer, I don't think this is right. If > I remove the space between the right bracket and the double quote > (changing "foo " to "foo") the error goes away. > > Cheers. > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Yes, this is syntactically valied code; DCL_CHECK is wrong to flag an error. However... f$length("foo ") will _always_ retunr a constant ... 4. and 4 is always not greater than 76, So I suggest that this little code snipet is questionable -- Why would you write code that never does anything? In any case, I recall that the code which isn't {ahem} really pretty. Fixing it would not be fun. And since the code that causes the problem is pretty flaky... On the other hand, if you have a meaningful example of this I'll consider looking at it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:39:07 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Is it possible to boot OpenVMS from an IDE disk on an ES40? Message-ID: <227d7$45e59416$cef8887a$16599@TEKSAVVY.COM> FredK wrote: > The boot block isn't a bootstrap. It just tells you how to find the primary > bootstrap (it isn't code, it's a pointer). But it could be argued that the primary bootstrap is the firmware (aka SRM , EFI etc). It is the one that initiates the booting procedure and finds the boot block at a location specific to that architecture and then handles that information in its own way to transfer control to the OS. > APB stands for Alpha Primary > Bootstrap. APB uses a primitive filesystem to lookup the secondary > bootstrap - SYSBOOT. In the case of a satellite booting via MOP, I take it APB.EXE has logic for both local disk as well as MSCP served drives ? Also, it is correct to state that the MOP server will append a couple of files (such as the SYSGEN parameter file, location of system root and probably other stuff as well ? Out of curiosity, how does APB know whether it has been invoked "locally" or via MSCP ? I take it that APB.EXE, upon detecting it was MOPped will scan for data after itself and parse it and then store in in the console memory ? When a system crashes, how does the console know how to write the dumpfile on a remove MSCP served disk ? ABP may have stored the location of the remote root, but does it also place a MSCP software for the console to use even if the system has crashed ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 05:47:25 +0100 From: Paul Sture Subject: Re: SAMBA on OpenVMS with OS X client Message-ID: In article <00A641D1.5601C314@SendSpamHere.ORG>, VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: > Here's what I'm seeing. > > A share mapped to an ODS-2 drive is no problem. I can open, edit and close > a file with TextEdit. I can also open a terminal session and do all that I > want to do from the command line. A share mapped to an ODS-5 volume is the > problematic one. I can, like with the mapped ODS-2 share, do most anything > I want from the command line; however, I cannot save any file editted using > TextEdit. I find files of the form .dat### on the share. I am thinking it > has something to do with the ODS-5 filenaming semantics and the renaming of > the temporary file .dat### that TextEdit creates. > > In both cases, the protections that are displayed look identical: > > [~] % cd /Volumes > [/Volumes] % ls -ls > 8 lrwxr-xr-x 1 root admin 1 Mar 3 21:52 Hard Drive -> / > 32 drwx------ 1 vaxman admin 16384 Dec 31 1969 squyrm ; ODS-2 > 32 drwx------ 1 vaxman admin 16384 Dec 31 1969 squyrm-web ; ODS-5 > My equivalent listing has today's date and times. "Dec 31 1969" being before the Unix start date, could this be a cause or by-product of your problem? Another thought: from a post you made here last week, you were looking at DECC$EFS_* logicals. Do you have those logicals present in the target environment? On my system, both the NMBD and SMDB_BGnnnn processes show "Parse Style: Traditional" and "Case Lookup: Blind". -- Paul Sture ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:44:20 -0500 From: "Richard B. gilbert" Subject: Re: set up MICR printing on OpenVMS and Powerhouse Message-ID: <45E5F7B4.5020807@comcast.net> Rob Brown wrote: > On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, ddujon wrote: > >> print 1 line MICr with check no etc. .How do I get the font into >> Openvms. Where can I get the font? > > > I have no idea. > >> I have an HP laserjet 2420dn which can handle the font. > > > I thought MICR was Magnetic Ink Character Recognition. Is magnetic ink > no longer required? > > The next time you replace a toner cartridge, crack it open and test the toner with a magnet. I think you will find that the toner is magnetic. Be careful or you will make a horrible mess!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:42:42 -0800 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: VAX 7000-640 Message-ID: On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:22:38 -0800, Bill Gunshannon wrote: > The time has finally come. I have to start clearing space here at the > University. That manes stuff had got to go, one way or the other. > > That being said, I have three VAX 7000-640's free to a good home (or > actually, any home!!) All you have to do is come and get them. Don't > have to take all three, I'll break up the set. :-) I would really > like to see them stay out of the landfill, but they do have to go. > > Anybody interested? Any museum want to stage a rescue? > > bill > I know of one site planning to run their apps for another 15 years, who might be interested in spares. Send me a note offline and i will dig up the contact. Those computers will definitely perform better and be happier running PL/I code:-) -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 14:20:37 -0500 From: "William Webb" Subject: Re: VAX 7000-640 Message-ID: <8660a3a10703051120n4e4e5b44q87d27735f1c81730@mail.gmail.com> The processors in the systems may be worth some money, if nothing else WWWebb On 3/5/07, Tom Linden wrote: > On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 07:22:38 -0800, Bill Gunshannon > wrote: > > > The time has finally come. I have to start clearing space here at the > > University. That manes stuff had got to go, one way or the other. > > > > That being said, I have three VAX 7000-640's free to a good home (or > > actually, any home!!) All you have to do is come and get them. Don't > > have to take all three, I'll break up the set. :-) I would really > > like to see them stay out of the landfill, but they do have to go. > > > > Anybody interested? Any museum want to stage a rescue? > > > > bill > > > I know of one site planning to run their apps for another 15 years, who > might be interested in spares. Send me a note offline and i will dig up > the contact. Those computers will definitely perform better and be happier > running PL/I code:-) > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2007 22:27:04 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VAX 7000-640 Message-ID: <553jpoF21e8n7U1@mid.individual.net> In article <8660a3a10703051120n4e4e5b44q87d27735f1c81730@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" writes: > The processors in the systems may be worth some money, if nothing else If you know someone who will pay for any of it, send them my way but I would be surprised as I have tried giving them aeway in the past and never had any takers. If someone was willing to pay for CPU's I could probably be coerced into taking them out and packaging them up (of course, at this point I have never been inside any of them so I have no idea how big a "CPU" actually is. In my 11/44 it is several boards!!) bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2007 23:59:21 GMT From: bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: VAX 7000-640 Message-ID: <553p6pF23d7bdU1@mid.individual.net> In article <20070306004226.52fcb40e.m_roguski@yahoo.com>, Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski writes: > On 5 Mar 2007 22:27:04 GMT > bill@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) wrote: > >> In article >> <8660a3a10703051120n4e4e5b44q87d27735f1c81730@mail.gmail.com>, "William >> Webb" writes: >> > The processors in the systems may be worth some money, if nothing else >> >> If you know someone who will pay for any of it, send them my way but I >> would be surprised as I have tried giving them aeway in the past and > > HOW MUCH? :) > > Seriously though, what kind of processor sits in there? I'd gladly buy it- > don't have any VAX CPU in my collection as of yet... As I said, I have never had it appart, I have no idea how big it might be inside. But the boxes are the size of lare refridgerators!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 01:08:08 +0100 From: Marcin 'Rambo' Roguski Subject: Re: VAX 7000-640 Message-ID: <20070306010808.6effb7c1.m_roguski@yahoo.com> > As I said, I have never had it appart, I have no idea how big it might > be inside. But the boxes are the size of lare refridgerators!! Well, my offer is still on table anyway :) Check it out, and maybe we'll find a common ground on how to ship the thing(s). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 10:14:22 -0800 From: Ryan Moore Subject: Re: VMS and storage subsystems documentation ? Message-ID: On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Rob Brooks wrote: > Ryan Moore writes: > >> The best part is how it works with dynamic volume expansion. Since the >> DGA device is completely virtual, you can change the size of the device at >> the HSV on-the-fly. This virtual device is about 150GB. > > From a VMS standpoint, the DG device is not considered a virtual device -- > there is no virtual device driver "above" SYS$DKDRIVER -- the SCSI disk-class > driver. > > That the LUN presented to VMS may have one or more spindles does not make it a > VMS virtual device, at least not in the same sense as a device created by > SYS$SHDRIVER (a "DS" device"). I meant that at the EVA the "disk" is virtual. There is no physical entity on the EVA which translates to "$1$DGA310". You can increase the size of the DGA device on-the-fly. Compared to an HSG which generally serves physical disks where you can't increase the size of a device on-the-fly. -Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:44:03 -0500 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: VMS and storage subsystems documentation ? Message-ID: <7d78$45ece398$cef8887a$13197@TEKSAVVY.COM> David J Dachtera wrote: > More to the point: VMS does not know/care what is being presented: a single > physical spindle, a RAIDset, etc. All it sees is a LUN (Logical UNit) that looks > like a disk and reports a certain size/geometry. The size can change, within the Yeah, but doesn't VMS need to know about whatever card is used to connect the computer to the disk array ? Or do those cards synthesize a SCSI interface to the firmware and OS ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 21:47:29 GMT From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan-Erik_S=F6derholm?= Subject: Re: VOLSHAD - how many I/Os when used Message-ID: John wrote: > For example, mount the shadow set with four members: Four ? Is the max of three members raised ? Jan-Erik. ------------------------------ Date: 05 Mar 2007 14:09:18 -0500 From: Rich Alderson Subject: Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Message-ID: JF Mezei writes: > Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: >> That being said, the HP 150, back in 1983, had a touch screen, so my >> statement that nothing much changed since the original Mac (introduced >> in 1984) stands. > Interesting. > BUT... > While the Mac was launched in January 1984, The Apple Lisa was available in > 1982 if I remember properly. The Lisa was the first Apple product with a > MAC's like GUI. January 1983. I saw one pre-announcement under an NDA. I seriously lusted after the thing, but $9995.00 was a bit steep--nearly half a year's salary. -- Rich Alderson | /"\ ASCII ribbon | news@alderson.users.panix.com | \ / campaign against | "You get what anybody gets. You get a lifetime." | x HTML mail and | --Death, of the Endless | / \ postings | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:44:48 +0100 From: Stefaan A Eeckels Subject: Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Message-ID: <20070305224448.3e2e97c5.hoendech@ecc.lu> On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:35:26 -0500 JF Mezei wrote: > Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: > > That being said, the HP 150, back in 1983, had a touch screen, so my > > statement that nothing much changed since the original Mac > > (introduced in 1984) stands. > > Interesting. > > BUT... > > While the Mac was launched in January 1984, The Apple Lisa was > available in 1982 if I remember properly. The Lisa was the first > Apple product with a MAC's like GUI. The Mac was an affordable Lisa (which cost something like $9000 when it was introduced, if memory serves). I was living in Hackenscack, NJ and I had just bought a Z-80 based Cromemco C-10 with CP/M at that time. It cost about $1500, which was all I could afford. At that time I wished I had waited and bought a Mac instead - until I found out that 1 128K Mac was all but useless. -- Stefaan A Eeckels -- Governments are like babies: digestive tracts with a big appetite at one end and no sense of responsibility at the other. The better run ones from time to time get clean diapers... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 19:08:05 -0500 From: "Richard B. gilbert" Subject: Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Message-ID: <45ECB0E5.4040505@comcast.net> Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: > On Sun, 04 Mar 2007 20:35:26 -0500 > JF Mezei wrote: > > >>Stefaan A Eeckels wrote: >> >>>That being said, the HP 150, back in 1983, had a touch screen, so my >>>statement that nothing much changed since the original Mac >>>(introduced in 1984) stands. >> >>Interesting. >> >>BUT... >> >>While the Mac was launched in January 1984, The Apple Lisa was >>available in 1982 if I remember properly. The Lisa was the first >>Apple product with a MAC's like GUI. > > > The Mac was an affordable Lisa (which cost something like $9000 when > it was introduced, if memory serves). I was living in Hackenscack, NJ > and I had just bought a Z-80 based Cromemco C-10 with CP/M at that time. > It cost about $1500, which was all I could afford. > > At that time I wished I had waited and bought a Mac instead - until I > found out that 1 128K Mac was all but useless. > Apple really shot themselves in the foot with the Mac. The original Mac came with only 64KB of memory (shortage of the right kind of chip or something). The only way to develop software for the Mac was to buy a Lisa. Then there was the closed architecture; no slots where you could plug in a hard disk controller, etc, etc, etc. The graphic arts people loved them, and still do. There was nothing there that anybody else needed or wanted and the Mac became a "niche" machine. ------------------------------ Date: 05 Mar 2007 20:41:12 -0500 From: Rich Alderson Subject: Re: Wanted: MicroVAX I / VAXstation I owners Message-ID: "Richard B. gilbert" writes: > Apple really shot themselves in the foot with the Mac. The original Mac > came with only 64KB of memory (shortage of the right kind of chip or > something). 128K. The foot shooting was not in having only 128K, but in lying to customers about the pricing of the 512K upgrade (and declaring that 128K was really enough when the 512K upgrade was announced). > The only way to develop software for the Mac was to buy a Lisa. Yes, but it was a great development environment. > Then there was the closed architecture; no slots where you could plug in a > hard disk controller, etc, etc, etc. On the other hand, the closed architecture meant that when they provided a new feature they didn't have to compensate for people fucking with the machine in unanticipated ways. > The graphic arts people loved them, and still do. There was nothing there > that anybody else needed or wanted and the Mac became a "niche" machine. Quite a niche. From 1984 till at least 1994 (after which I no longer knew anyone there), cisco Systems provided every non-engineer with a fully loaded Mac on their desktop. When I left in late 1993, cisco was already a $2*10^9 company. Reason for putting Macs on people's desks? Reliability, ease of maintenance, and fewest fuckwit toy applications installed by clueless users. -- Rich Alderson | /"\ ASCII ribbon | news@alderson.users.panix.com | \ / campaign against | "You get what anybody gets. 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