INFO-VAX Sat, 02 Jun 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 299 Contents: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Re: DS10L won't boot Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! IDX (was:Re: Is this OT or is there a connection with VMS?) Re: Infoserver 150 woes Re: Is this OT or is there a connection with VMS? Re: Problem with NFS client connecting to Windows 2003 server Re: TCPIP: UCX$UCP.EXE empty on Alpha 8.3 Re: TCPIP: UCX$UCP.EXE empty on Alpha 8.3 Re: TCPIP: UCX$UCP.EXE empty on Alpha 8.3 Re: Upgrade to Vista from XP ? Yes or No ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:22:53 -0000 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <1180736573.848055.120080@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 15, 4:28 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Smith [mailto:a...@nonymous.com] > > Sent: May 15, 2007 2:05 PM > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? > > [snip...] > > > > > So how many of your customers are doing DC consolidation onto VMS? > > Customer doing large DC / IT Consolidation are typically risk adverse > and are under extreme pressures to get it done quickly. Hence the > typical strategy is to do like-like platforms consolidation e.g. OpenVMS > to OpenVMS, Windows to Windows (on VMware where appropriate), Linux to > Linux, AIX to AIX etc. and these same customers are tired of being part of the patch of the day club, and would move if given a superior alternative ... however, HP will not market OpenVMS and actually try to sell it ... they have relegated VMS to current customer support or if forced to sell it ... instead they push their garbage unix which what everyone would like to get away from ... so the above condition is largely true because HP will not sell and market VMS to NEW customers, so what other choice do they have? . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:29:43 -0000 From: ultradwc@gmail.com Subject: Re: Anyone know why the Alpha market is so so quiet? Message-ID: <1180736983.465682.175650@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> On May 21, 8:42 am, Andrew wrote: > On 19 May, 00:36, Bill Todd wrote: > > > > > > > FredK wrote: > > > ... > > > >> Solaris really does have some unique capabilities when compared with > > >> Linux and thats what seems to be driving the change, that plus clever > > >> marketing by Sun. > > > > Really? > > > Really. > > > Unlike DECHPaq, whose last significant file system effort took place > > over a decade ago with the introduction of AdvFS (RIP, Tru64) and whose > > VMS file system offering has become positively antiquated, Solaris has > > very recently introduced the most important new file system in the > > entire industry since NetApp's WAFL (introduced at about the same time > > AdvFS was). Solaris has efficient and effective software partitioning > > in the form of 'zones'. Solaris appears to offer a significantly > > broader and deeper range of development facilities than Linux does, > > though I haven't investigated them in detail (yet). And Solaris has a > > considerably better reputation for scaling and stability than Linux has. > > > Just for starters, from someone not very familiar with the terrain. I'm > > sure Andrew can flesh it out some more. > > Apart from the examples you listed there is a whole list of > interesting technologies in Solaris that Linux distributions would > like to have but would struggle to implement or which they are > scrambling to imitate. they didn't seem to have too much trouble adapting those technologies that cause their CERT counts to rapidly increase ... they both imitate each other to a tee ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 15:58:08 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: CDC software (formerly known as Ross Systems) to drop Gembase VMS support Message-ID: <76c1c$46607a7a$cef8887a$17585@TEKSAVVY.COM> Stanley F. Quayle wrote: > The current version meets their needs perfectly, so they're staying > on Alpha. You don't have to dump VMS if your application is doing > what you need it to do. The problem arises when the vendor not only stop developping, but also eventually stops supporting the product on VMS. This means that if you must upgrade the VMS version, you have no assurance that the old product will continue to work and you know that if a glitch arises, you have no expectation of getting it fixed. Perhaps in such circumstances, the vendor should open source the last VMS version so that remaining customers can continue to use it (and fix it if needed). However, consider that many pointy haired bosses will use this as an oppportunity to finally kick VMS out and replace it with their veloved Windows or Linux. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:15:38 -0500 From: "Craig A. Berry" Subject: Re: DS10L ATI 7500 PCI Graphics Problems Message-ID: In article , "Craig A. Berry" wrote: > In article , > "FredK" wrote: > > If you can pass me along the modeline from a Linux/xFree86 system for the > > panels, I'll look at adding them. > will try it with a Linux system tomorrow. The xorg.conf file on my Ubuntu system does not have any modeline records. I don't know if that means it has no customized data for this monitor or if it's storing them elsewhere. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:34:42 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: DS10L won't boot Message-ID: On Thu, 31 May 2007 15:57:25 -0700, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > wwidmgr -quickset -udid 5 Thanks, that is all that was needed. -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 16:37:30 -0400 From: "Paul A. Jacobi" Subject: Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Message-ID: "Ron Johnson" wrote in message news:aYS7i.395$3L1.321@newsfe14.lga... > How is this better/different than AMD's Direct Connect Architecture and > HORUS Interconnect? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport#Multiprocessor_interconnect > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect_Architecture > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HORUS_interconnect Horus was created by Newisys which ceased operations on May 8, 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newisys Paul A. Jacobi HP OpenVMS Systems Group Nashua, NH ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:34:12 -0500 From: Ron Johnson Subject: Re: HP wasting millions of dollars on itanium! Message-ID: On 06/01/07 15:37, Paul A. Jacobi wrote: > "Ron Johnson" wrote in message > news:aYS7i.395$3L1.321@newsfe14.lga... > >> How is this better/different than AMD's Direct Connect Architecture and >> HORUS Interconnect? >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperTransport#Multiprocessor_interconnect >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Connect_Architecture >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HORUS_interconnect > > Horus was created by Newisys which ceased operations on May 8, 2007. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newisys Ok, but that doesn't answer the original question? -- Ron Johnson, Jr. Jefferson LA USA Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Hit him with a fish, and he goes away for good! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 19:12:36 -0500 From: bradhamilton@comcast.net (Brad Hamilton) Subject: IDX (was:Re: Is this OT or is there a connection with VMS?) Message-ID: In article <4660461F.37B58435@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera wrote: >Keith Parris wrote: >> >> David J Dachtera wrote: >> > InterSystems has ported Cache' to OpenVMS-I64; however, most of the healthcare >> > ISVs who use it have elected not to go there, MiSys (formerly Sunquest) being >> > among the more noteworthy along side IDX. >> >> The statement here about IDX seems to be incorrect. >> >> I met with folks from a big IDX / Caché customer yesterday who are >> planning to move to Integrity Servers. >> >> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/brochures/idx/idx.html says IDX is >> moving to Integrity Servers. > >What does IDX say? I was told by them directly that they weren't migrating, >mostly due to a lack of customer interest. First of all, "IDX" is no more (has been no more for a while). It was purchased by GE Healthcare a couple(?) of years ago. The IDX product is labeled "legacy" on the GE customer web site (and we all know what "legacy" means). :-) If one goes to the GE Healthcare website, and types, "VMS" in the search box, the stark answer, "No results found" is returned. Please note Keith - the blurb on the HP website regarding IDX refers to a product (FLOWCAST) which is no longer sold by IDX's successor, GE Healthcare. The copyright notice at the bottom of the HP blurb is dated 2004, or a year or so before IDX was obtained by GE Healthcare. When I used IDX at my previous job, at my hiring interview I pricked up my ears upon hearing "IDX", and I mentioned my years of VMS experience. The hiring manager looked at me (with a little pity) and said, "IDX hasn't run on VMS in years. Our IDX runs on AIX". (I still got the job, anyway). :-) Now none of this is *absolute* proof that IDX is no more, or that VMS is not an integral part of GE Healthcare, but (to me at least) the handwriting is on the wall. Add all these vignettes to David's statement above, and I think the picture for IDX/VMS is becoming clearer. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:28:04 GMT From: Curtis Rempel Subject: Re: Infoserver 150 woes Message-ID: Ian King wrote: > I swear this thing used to work, but when I fired up my Infoserver 150 a > couple of days ago, it did not boot. I've poked about and tried a few > things, and now I'm going to turn to the Collective Wisdom to see if > anyone has any suggestions (other than using it as a boat anchor). [ snip ] Check the boot flags, it might have a case of amnesia: >>> SHOW BFLG If it's empty, set it using: >>> SET BFLG D0000000 Try booting DKA0 and see what happens. I have a 150 too and if it is left powered off for too long, it forgets what to do. Curtis ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jun 2007 23:36:20 +0200 From: peter@langstoeger.at (Peter 'EPLAN' LANGSTOeGER) Subject: Re: Is this OT or is there a connection with VMS? Message-ID: <4660ad74$1@news.langstoeger.at> In article <4660461F.37B58435@spam.comcast.net>, David J Dachtera writes: >What does IDX say? I was told by them directly that they weren't migrating, >mostly due to a lack of customer interest. And I was officially told by DEC that there will never be a VMS V6 !! So what. Wait and see what happens (as some folks really don't know what they are talking about)... -- Peter "EPLAN" LANGSTOEGER Network and OpenVMS system specialist E-mail peter@langstoeger.at A-1030 VIENNA AUSTRIA I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 20:43:25 +0200 From: "Gorazd Kikelj" Subject: Re: Problem with NFS client connecting to Windows 2003 server Message-ID: Hi, good to hear this :-) I use NFS at home to make a backup. Have few LD container files on my pc and mounted them as disks on DS10L. Best, Gorazd "Gremlin" wrote in message news:136046iepc6ah9e@corp.supernews.com... > Hi Gorazd > > Have had it working well for the last few days, but I also added /SYSTEM > /STRUCTURE=5 > > Would be nice if it "automounted" each time TCPIP started, but it is > simple enough to start it in VMSStartup.... > > Cheers > > "Gorazd Kikelj" wrote in message > news:HqN7i.926$553.787628@news.siol.net... >> Just use >> >> TCPIP> mount dnsf0: /host="DL380" /path="NFSdata" /NOADF >> >> and you'll be fine. One caveat, You'll be losing file attributes on vms >> side >> so it will work for stream and binary files. As you will mostly read >> files >> cerated onb windows, you will not notice this. >> >> Best, Gorazd >> >> > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:54:02 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: TCPIP: UCX$UCP.EXE empty on Alpha 8.3 Message-ID: <00A687DC.C66ED51B@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , "John Gemignani, Jr." writes: > > > >"JF Mezei" wrote in message >news:704f1$465fd5c4$cef8887a$14091@TEKSAVVY.COM... >> On a Alpha 8.3 system, the file: >> >> Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] >> >> UCX$UCP.EXE;1 File ID: (8390,2,0) >> Size: 0/0 Owner: [SYSTEM] >> >> >> This causes older product installs to fail because they check are not able >> to read the image version. (example: notes v2.5 from freeware 7). >> >> Perhaps such stubs could still be equipped with a minimalist image that >> would still pass the tests used by older installation procedures. > >When the product was changed to TCPIP$, there were layered products >that still checked for UCX$UCP.EXE to test for presence. As a result, >an empty UCX$ stub is created when TCPIP is installed. Apparently, the product that JF is installing checks for more than the presence of this file. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 12:44:29 -0700 From: "John Gemignani, Jr." Subject: Re: TCPIP: UCX$UCP.EXE empty on Alpha 8.3 Message-ID: wrote in message news:00A687DC.C66ED51B@SendSpamHere.ORG... > In article , "John Gemignani, > Jr." writes: >> >> >> >>"JF Mezei" wrote in message >>news:704f1$465fd5c4$cef8887a$14091@TEKSAVVY.COM... >>> On a Alpha 8.3 system, the file: >>> >>> Directory SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] >>> >>> UCX$UCP.EXE;1 File ID: (8390,2,0) >>> Size: 0/0 Owner: [SYSTEM] >>> >>> >>> This causes older product installs to fail because they check are not >>> able >>> to read the image version. (example: notes v2.5 from freeware 7). >>> >>> Perhaps such stubs could still be equipped with a minimalist image that >>> would still pass the tests used by older installation procedures. >> >>When the product was changed to TCPIP$, there were layered products >>that still checked for UCX$UCP.EXE to test for presence. As a result, >>an empty UCX$ stub is created when TCPIP is installed. > > Apparently, the product that JF is installing checks for more than the > presence of this file. > Aaaaahhh, now I see. I don't ever recall a product that did that. I know that UCX$VERSIONS.EXE peers into the image to extract the version string inserted there by the linker (yet another thing that I had my hands in). Would copying TCPIP$UCP.EXE over that image do the trick? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 16:04:49 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: TCPIP: UCX$UCP.EXE empty on Alpha 8.3 Message-ID: <77a29$46607c0d$cef8887a$19099@TEKSAVVY.COM> John Gemignani, Jr. wrote: > Aaaaahhh, now I see. I don't ever recall a product that did that. Notes did it. And it read into the file to obtain the executable's version (to ensure on had at least UCX V 3.0 installed). Because the file exist, but is empty, the installation logic "aborts because it knows TCPIP is installed, but fails to get its version. > Would copying TCPIP$UCP.EXE over that image do the trick? I copied *any* image file, ran the installation, it complained about version number but otherwise istalled file. Then I removed the "any" image file, leaving the original empty ucx$ucp.exe file. (Notes is circa 1993...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:57:55 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: Upgrade to Vista from XP ? Yes or No Message-ID: <00A687DD.510D7470@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > > >In article <1180651641.010463.269810@q66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, Doug Phillips writes: >> >> WNT could be viewed as a branch, or split, away from VMS' branch of >> the OS evolutionary tree at a time when VMS was very, very young, but >> it should certainly never be considered an "upgrade." >> >> Their "common ancestor" is well know and has been much discussed. > > More like WNT picked up one small gene from the VMS gene pool. > The rest of WNT is a collection of problem causing mutations. Would you mind if I paraphrased your above two lines? WNT picked up one small gene from the VMS gene pool; the rest of WNT is a collection of problem causing mutations. Sounds like the perfect newsgroup signature quote to me. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.299 ************************