INFO-VAX Sun, 09 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 674 Contents: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Re: OT: One Laptop per Child RE: OT: One Laptop per Child ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Dec 2007 17:52:49 +0200 From: Alexander Horn Subject: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Message-ID: <475acbe1@news.arcor-ip.de> Hi VMS-Community, I'm new in the World of VMS :-) I've compiled and installed David L. Jones's VMS-Port of SSH-1.5, but I got a "-SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded" in the SSH_SERVER.LOG -- Strange is, when I start in interactive or TEST-mode, the bootstrap works fine: $ @ssh_server_startup test main thread: SSH-1.5-OSU_1.5alpha4 server initializing, 8-DEC-2007 17:27:57.72 main thread: Process initiator startup status: 1 '' main thread: rsa_engine startup status: 1 main thread: Sent key file name to key generator: 1 main thread: Key generator startup status: 1 pid: 00000234 main thread: server initialized, port: 22, connection limit: 10 main thread: New current server context, slot 0 at 8-DEC-2007 17:28:09.70 [...] I can log-in etc. without any problems! Why the SSH Server does not work in non-interactive (DETACHed) Mode? Any suggestions? :-) My settings of SYSTEM in SYSUAF.DAT: [...] Maxjobs: 0 Fillm: 300 Bytlm: 500000 Maxacctjobs: 0 Shrfillm: 0 Pbytlm: 0 Maxdetach: 0 BIOlm: 200 JTquota: 4096 Prclm: 40 DIOlm: 200 WSdef: 131072 Prio: 4 ASTlm: 200 WSquo: 532000 Queprio: 0 TQElm: 30 WSextent: 131072 CPU: (none) Enqlm: 4000 Pgflquo: 16777216 [...] My MODPARAMS.DAT: SCSNODE="SHARKY" SCSSYSTEMID=1025 VAXCLUSTER=0 ADD_GBLPAGES=10000 ADD_GBLSECTIONS=100 ADD_NPAGEDYN=800000 ADD_NPAGEVIR=800000 MIN_SPTREQ=6000 MIN_INTSTKPAGES=12 MIN_MAXBUF=16384 I really need help ;-) Best regards, -Vaxima -- Alexander Horn, Hostmaster (of staff) | OpenVMS rocks! (TM) 10 Bruckner, Sindelfingen 71065 Germany | Go to http://hp.com/go/openvms/ eMail: vaxima@marway.org | Trouble w/ Windows? Reboot! vaxima@openvms-rocks.com | Trouble w/ UNIX? Be root! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:57:16 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: -SYSTEM-F-EXQUOTA, process quota exceeded Message-ID: Alexander Horn writes: >I can log-in etc. without any problems! Why the SSH Server does not work >in non-interactive (DETACHed) Mode? >Any suggestions? :-) Check the system's PQL_D* and PQL_M* SYSGEN parameters. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 11:35:32 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > Just imagine if many years ago, VMS management had listened to Mr > Dachtera and ported VMS to the then 32 bit 8086. To be effective today, this decision would have to be made about 20 years ago. I doubt that many people in this group (incl. Mr Dachtera) would have advocated to ditch VAX, stop alpha, and port to x86 around 1990. x86 became viable only towards the mid-90s, after intel managed to put RISC inside and, together with M$, shovelled their stuff into children's and living rooms. From their it crept back into the offices. > Today, they could load > VMS on those laptops with space to spare simply because VMS engineers > have always been fairly mature, efficient and frugal in system resources > needed to run their software. It would have paid off big time if VMS had > been selected to be the OS of choice for those laptops all around the > world. (put in Mosaic, update MAIL and DECWRITE and you're set). Well, "official" Mosaic stopped at 2.7-sth IIRC. This version is unable to render most of the stuff which is around in the WWW today. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 12:11:24 +0100 From: Michael Kraemer Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: JF Mezei schrieb: > It isn't that they weren't "able". It is that their management decisions > didn't result in low cost competitively priced machines. I am sure > Digital Equipment Corporation had the brains and ability to produce > competitive equipment had top management tasked its troups to make it so. Well, you may think of DEC's engineering as a league of superheroes, defying the laws of physics and economics. I don't think so. The VAX was at the end of its road, and with alpha they indeed tried to enter the low-end, see e.g. the alphaVME and alpha-PC efforts. Both failed because a low-end alpha with a tiny native software portfolio but a premium price was nothing enough people wanted to buy. > My original point was that because VMS engineers had managed to prevent > bloat over the years, VMS would now be considered a great OS for those > resource-limited OLPC laptops. You are generously mixing past, present and future. In the distant past, VMS might have been "non-bloated", but so were the other OSs. IIRC Windoze 3.x and MS-DOS-sth fit on few floppies and used less than 4MB. To satisfy modern requirements an OS has to be "bloated" in some way, and VMS wouldn't be the exception. OTOH, I'm pretty sure it carries along a lot of baggage of the past which is useless on a modern laptop. > And if VMS had been made available on a viable platform, its limited > footprint would have also made it quite interesting for lots of embedded > applications. Imagine if Nokia had chosen VMS as kernel for its handsets > instead of buying the leftovers from PSION's OS. > > Consider VMS still able to run on a 16 meg all-mighty Microvax II. I > think my phone requires more memory to boot :-) Well, try to run a modern browser. Just loading it will probably exceed your MV's available memory by a factor of two or three. And: can you phone and SMS with your MV ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:28:14 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: In article <475B1EEA.9020907@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > In article , JF Mezei > > writes: > > > > > >>Right now, Linux is being used for the "One Laptop per Child" projects > >>around the world. > > > > > > Whenever I hear about this nonsense, I wish all of these self-appointed > > gurus would read Cliff Stoll. > > > > Do you mean "The Cuckoo's Egg"? A great book, but how is it relevant? That's an excellent book as well, but I was referring to "High-Tech Heretic: Reflections of a Computer Contrarian". Stoll makes a good case for keeping computers out of the classroom (and, by extension, out of the hands of third-world children). I won't repeat his arguments here, since they literally fill a whole book. Highly recommended. Of course, many Luddites have made superficially similar demands. The interesting thing, of course, is that Stoll has spent his entire life working with computers. > (I'm not familiar with "One Laptop per Child".) The idea stems from this self-appointed guru Mr. Digital himself, the guy with the Greek name from MIT. His idea is that all children in the world should have a laptop. I'm not saying we shouldn't do that since other things are more important, I'm saying that even if the children had everything else, they don't need a laptop (and neither do well-to-do children in first-world countries). The "One Laptop per Child" project is developing a cheap laptop (with a crank to recharge the battery etc) intended for distribution to the children of the world. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:30:33 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: In article , JF Mezei writes: > Consider VMS still able to run on a 16 meg all-mighty Microvax II. I > think my phone requires more memory to boot :-) No smiley needed JF; I remember putting my mobile phone together which I was issued at work (my personal one is much older, from 2001 or so, the Nokia 3310---all you need, but no bullshit). I remember being taken aback when I inserted a 32-MB memory chip, realising that I have VAXes with less memory. Of course, these days it's not uncommon for portable electronic devices to have GB of memory. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:30:54 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: In article <13ce4$475b2683$cef8887a$5430@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei writes: > Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: > > Whenever I hear about this nonsense, I wish all of these self-appointed > > gurus would read Cliff Stoll. > > > > So what do those OLPC laptops run then ? Some sort of Linux. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 11:31:53 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: In article <5s0u1dF16h4t1U1@mid.individual.net>, billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > In article , > helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > > In article , JF Mezei > > writes: > > > >> Right now, Linux is being used for the "One Laptop per Child" projects > >> around the world. > > > > Whenever I hear about this nonsense, I wish all of these self-appointed > > gurus would read Cliff Stoll. > > Why? I can't think of anyone in the industry more clueless. Just > because he was able to write and sell a book. Heck, so did Al Gore. > Next you'll be saying Cliff Stoll should get a Nobel Prize..... I think his "High-Tech Heretic" book is relevant here. "The Cuckoo's Egg" is entertaining---not Nobel-Prize material, but a good read. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:11:45 -0000 From: "John Wallace" Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: <13lnnc48gr90c27@corp.supernews.com> "Uusimäki" wrote in message news:475a7ef1$0$27828$9b536df3@news.fv.fi... > In mid 90's there was built a AlphaBook, as you surely know, but for > some reason it never became popular. IMHO the reason was exactly what > you mentioned; VMS vas not made available early enough on laptops. > One big reason for its lack of popularity is clear enough, but may be disappearing in the mists of time. The Alphabook, from Tadpole (who also did the SPARCbook), was based on a 21066/21068 Alpha chip. That's the same chip as was used in the Alpha Multia, and the AXPpci33 motherboard. 21066 was 21064 core with most of (all of?) the external glue logic integrated on-chip - it didn't need what PeeCee people now call Northbridge or Southbridge, it was pretty much all on the chip - just connect the DRAM to the CPU, and the PCI bits (if needed) to the CPU, and off you go. You can see this quite clearly if you look at a Multia or AXPpci33 motherboard. Unfortunately although the idea was great, in real life the implementation was a *lot* slower than a corresponding-speed 21064, and added to the other 21064 gotchas (e.g. no byte addressability, which was Bad News for PeeCee class software), it wasn't competitive and didn't exactly sell like hot cakes. You could run it fanless though which made it unique among the Alphas of its time. Afaict there still isn't a glueless fanless reasonable performance volume market x86. If there was, would it sell? The "media centre PC" and "set top box" markets (which were among 2016x target markets) would surely snap them up? One Laptop Per Child is basically irrelevant in the bigger picture, except as a demonstration of how far Billco will go to retain their market dominance. Getting something other than Windows into the education system would be a worthy task. regards John ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2007 08:16:31 -0600 From: Kilgallen@SpamCop.net (Larry Kilgallen) Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: <1AyI+SfeEExI@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) writes: > In article <475B1EEA.9020907@comcast.net>, "Richard B. Gilbert" > writes: > >> Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply wrote: >> > In article , JF Mezei >> > writes: >> > >> > >> >>Right now, Linux is being used for the "One Laptop per Child" projects >> >>around the world. >> > >> > >> > Whenever I hear about this nonsense, I wish all of these self-appointed >> > gurus would read Cliff Stoll. >> > >> >> Do you mean "The Cuckoo's Egg"? A great book, but how is it relevant? > > That's an excellent book as well, but I was referring to "High-Tech > Heretic: Reflections of a Computer Contrarian". Stoll makes a good case > for keeping computers out of the classroom (and, by extension, out of > the hands of third-world children). I won't repeat his arguments here, > since they literally fill a whole book. Highly recommended. One of the main goals of One Laptop per Child is for the children to take the laptops home. I have a friend who works for them, so I hear about some of the glitches in the endeavor. They are prepared to send these around the world, but not to Nigeria where the green and white design of their product is not acceptable to the government because green and white are the colors of the opposition political party. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 15:55:15 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: OT: One Laptop per Child Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Kraemer [mailto:M.Kraemer@gsi.de] > Sent: December 9, 2007 5:36 AM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: OT: One Laptop per Child > > JF Mezei schrieb: > > > Just imagine if many years ago, VMS management had listened to Mr > > Dachtera and ported VMS to the then 32 bit 8086. > > To be effective today, this decision would have to be made > about 20 years ago. I doubt that many people in this > group (incl. Mr Dachtera) would have advocated to ditch > VAX, stop alpha, and port to x86 around 1990. > x86 became viable only towards the mid-90s, > after intel managed to put RISC inside and, Also - Lets not forget where some of the x86 "RISC" architecture came from. Remember the lawsuit. [snip...] Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-592-4660 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.674 ************************