INFO-VAX Mon, 24 Dec 2007 Volume 2007 : Issue 703 Contents: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Free Medicine Assistance Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Re: OT: Merry Christmas to c.o.v. ! Re: quick question TZ89-VW on Alpha Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Re: Volume label. Re: Volume label. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:09:04 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <476ece6b$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Rob wrote: > Having said that, I think HP should really be supporting PHP to a much > higher level. There's an awful lot of talk about PHP5 at the moment, > including all of the new OOP and Classes revisions. I can only see PHP > growing as a business language. 1) PHP4 is dead. Support for PHP4 will end 31-DEC-2007. No more regular bug fixes. Security fixes may be backported until 8-AUG-2008. PHP5 is a must. And BTW PHP5 is indeed much better than PHP4. 2) PHP is seeing increasingly commercial usage - especially within CMS, portal and forum software where it is the dominating server side language (relevant example is www.openvms.org). And even though that market is not a typical VMS market, then it still means than plenty of web developers with PHP skills are available. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:28:58 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <476ed316$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <7ea7c2ce-9f2b-4492-a30d-a10315e88f78@18g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, > Rob writes: >> I can only see PHP >> growing as a business language. > > Considering the security model (or lack thereof) of PHP one can only > hope you are wrong. I have had our web server attacked via PHP in > the past and I was just notified by the University's Network Security > Guru that a concentrated attack of .edu's using PHP is currently underway > and I should keep an eye on my web server. Perl was bad but PHP is much, > much worse. Bugs in PHP itself are relative rare. Bugs in apps written in PHP are relative common. PHP has this problem that it is easy to use. So anybody can slam some code together that seems to work. And they do. And the app's has no protection against SQL injection etc.. And some of those apps are very widely used, so script kiddies love them. Arne ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2007 22:41:42 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <5t86h5F1ckku3U1@mid.individual.net> In article <476ed316$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <7ea7c2ce-9f2b-4492-a30d-a10315e88f78@18g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, >> Rob writes: >>> I can only see PHP >>> growing as a business language. >> >> Considering the security model (or lack thereof) of PHP one can only >> hope you are wrong. I have had our web server attacked via PHP in >> the past and I was just notified by the University's Network Security >> Guru that a concentrated attack of .edu's using PHP is currently underway >> and I should keep an eye on my web server. Perl was bad but PHP is much, >> much worse. > > Bugs in PHP itself are relative rare. Bugs in apps written in PHP are > relative common. It isn't just bugs. It is a language iwho's interface is designed to let outsiders execute any command available on the system any time they want to by merely adding it to the URL sent to the PHP script. This gives rise to: a) running the BSD fetch command to download some bad piece of PHP code into some place like /tmp b) executing that piece of code. There is absolutely no legitimate reason why this should be allowed, much less designed into the system. > > PHP has this problem that it is easy to use. So anybody can slam some > code together that seems to work. And they do. And the app's has > no protection against SQL injection etc.. Perl and PHP are the antithesis of software engineering. > > And some of those apps are very widely used, so script kiddies > love them. Sadly, many people claiming to be IT Professionals also love them. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2007 22:43:38 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <5t86kpF1ckku3U2@mid.individual.net> In article <476ece6b$0$90262$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, Arne Vajhøj writes: > Rob wrote: >> Having said that, I think HP should really be supporting PHP to a much >> higher level. There's an awful lot of talk about PHP5 at the moment, >> including all of the new OOP and Classes revisions. I can only see PHP >> growing as a business language. > > 1) PHP4 is dead. Support for PHP4 will end 31-DEC-2007. No more > regular bug fixes. Security fixes may be backported until > 8-AUG-2008. PHP5 is a must. And BTW PHP5 is indeed much > better than PHP4. Yeah, pretty much the same way as Vista is better than XP. Or a broken arm is better than a broken leg. > > 2) PHP is seeing increasingly commercial usage - especially > within CMS, portal and forum software where it is the > dominating server side language (relevant example is > www.openvms.org). And even though that market is not > a typical VMS market, then it still means than plenty > of web developers with PHP skills are available. And God help us all!!! bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves bill@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:46:37 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <476ee547$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> And BTW PHP5 is indeed much >> better than PHP4. > > Yeah, pretty much the same way as Vista is better than XP. Better OOP, better mysql module, better XML module etc.. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:52:46 -0500 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Compiling PHP and/or any PHP Extension on VMS Message-ID: <476ee6ba$0$90263$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article <476ed316$0$90273$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, > Arne Vajhøj writes: >> Bugs in PHP itself are relative rare. Bugs in apps written in PHP are >> relative common. > > It isn't just bugs. It is a language iwho's interface is designed to > let outsiders execute any command available on the system any time they > want to by merely adding it to the URL sent to the PHP script. ???? It should save it in $_REQUEST, $_GET and $_SERVER but not execute it. > Perl and PHP are the antithesis of software engineering. They are not like the classic programming languages with declarations of data types etc.. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:09:03 -0800 (PST) From: rq5znszb Subject: Free Medicine Assistance Message-ID: <1100d155-0925-4dc2-97fc-b66dcad9e4b2@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Here is another site that I came across by American Consultants Rx that really helped me and my family deal with the high cost of prescription drugs at http://www.rxassistanceforfree.com . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:08:58 +0100 From: "Dr. Dweeb" Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: <476ec059$0$21927$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk> Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <2962f$47676326$cef8887a$4316@TEKSAVVY.COM>, JF Mezei > writes: >> >> A word of warning though: some countries have passed fairly strict >> environmental regulations with regards to the disposal of computers. > > I live in a county with slightly higher taxes. They provide that > recycling, as well as steel, appliances, tires, batteries, and > all those other little nasties that require or at least should be > recycled. I live in a country with the highest taxation on the planet. We just drive to the local recycling centre and dump/leave the stuff in the appropriate area. "Rescuing" functional but discarded goods is a profitable pass time here. I have rescued the bits for a complete PC, just for fun, plus various other items. I do not think there is anything besides toxic waste that cannot be left at the local recycling station - and there is a place for toxic waste as well, if that's what you've got. You pay for what you get. Dweeb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:46:27 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: HP to close Nashua (ZKO) Message-ID: In article <476ec059$0$21927$157c6196@dreader1.cybercity.dk>, "Dr. Dweeb" writes: > I live in a country with the highest taxation on the planet. Denmark? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:07:17 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: OT: Merry Christmas to c.o.v. ! Message-ID: In article <476e7e5f$0$25326$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > >VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG wrote: >> The point is that the equinoxes and solstices vary; the 25th of December >> does not. > >And December 25th is also a huge day for physicists since it proves it >is possible to travel faster than the speed of light (and have almost >instaneous acceleration and deceleration). The sleigh santa uses to >deliver the gifts to every kid around the world in 24 hours doesn't >have 2 skis under it, they are 2 warp drive nacelles... the raindeer are >just for decoration. Psst. JF, I hate to break this to you but that Santa character is a myth... like religion, he exists to fill some human flaw which seems to yearn for the belief in non-existing do-gooders. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM "Well my son, life is like a beanstalk, isn't it?" http://tmesis.com/drat.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:57:05 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: quick question Message-ID: <649b0f02-6f7d-4780-bb4a-2ec4f7d4c9e3@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com> On Dec 22, 3:03 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article > , AEF > > writes: > > Question: In all these episodes, how can the computers be so powerful, > > capable, etc., and even more amazing, never crash or get hung, yet can > > be easily talked out of doing their evil biddings by Kirk? > > Why does Scotty need almost the whole episode to cut through a wall with > a phaser in order to get to some hidden cable etc while a Klingon can > just punch his fist through it? Well, you could go on and on with such things, but I mentioned the computer version because that's what's most relevant to the group. Re the wall: Maybe some walls are reinforced better -- I don't know. > > Scotty, squeezed inside the Jeffries tube, talking to Kirk on the > intercom: > > > I can give ye power to the shields, captain, but I can't give ye warp > drive! > AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:49:55 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Townley Subject: TZ89-VW on Alpha Message-ID: <10b4a61d-bf61-4a4b-8951-e2067ff00ccc@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> I have gained a coupe of these units, and want to get one onto my hobbyist Alpha running VMS, but I cannot find any manuals online, I especially need to know how to set the unit number - there is a DIP switch on the back Can anybody point me at a manual, or any suggestion as to the use of the 8 switches? TIA -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 20:13:51 -0600 (CST) From: sms@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Message-ID: <07122320135110_202647DE@antinode.org> From: Chris Townley > I have gained a coupe of these units, and want to get one onto my > hobbyist Alpha running VMS, but I cannot find any manuals online, I > especially need to know how to set the unit number - there is a DIP > switch on the back > > Can anybody point me at a manual, or any suggestion as to the use of > the 8 switches? All my DLT drives are non-DEC, so I know nothing, but you could probably find info on a similar bare drive at quantum.com. (First translate "TZ89" into "DLTxx00".) I seem to have a small collection of helpful PDF files acquired in this way. Tracing whither the switches lead is your responsibility, of course. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode-org 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 18:49:05 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Message-ID: On Dec 23, 8:49 pm, Chris Townley wrote: > I have gained a coupe of these units, and want to get one onto my > hobbyist Alpha running VMS, but I cannot find any manuals online, I > especially need to know how to set the unit number - there is a DIP > switch on the back > > Can anybody point me at a manual, or any suggestion as to the use of > the 8 switches? > > TIA > > -- > Chris Check out http://vt100.net/manx/search?on=0&cp=1&q=TZ89 But this manual shows how to set the unit number via push buttons, so it many not be what you want. AEF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 19:19:03 -0800 (PST) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: TZ89-VW on Alpha Message-ID: On Dec 23, 9:13=A0pm, s...@antinode.org (Steven M. Schweda) wrote: > From: Chris Townley > > > I have gained a coupe of these units, and want to get one onto my > > hobbyist Alpha running VMS, but I cannot find any manuals online, I > > especially need to know how to set the unit number - there is a DIP > > switch on the back > > > Can anybody point me at a manual, or any suggestion as to the use of > > the 8 switches? Isn't that a 'brick' which takes the scsi ID based on the slot in the BA356 tower used to slide it into? The dip switches may provide an overide. Ah... google foudn something: http://intelligent-peripheral.com/manuals/ek-tz89n-ug-a01.pdf Page 4-2 and 4-3 show dip switched. 1,2,3&4 off + 5,6,7&8 on =3D=3D> auto. 1,2,3,4 x + 5,6,7,&8 off =3D=3D> binary scsi id in 1,2,3,4 hth, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 11:02:01 -0800 (PST) From: AEF Subject: Re: Volume label. Message-ID: <319ff94e-2a42-4f73-a808-5e533635b184@s48g2000hss.googlegroups.com> On Dec 22, 2:53 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article > <4f065429-003a-460c-b0b7-63ad8756f...@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, AEF > > > > writes: > > On Dec 22, 6:26 am, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- > > remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > > > In article <476bda4f$0$22049$c3e8...@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei > > > > writes: > > > > > $define/system/exec/trans=(conc,terminal) $mydisk 'f$trnlnm("$DISK2") > > > > > $define/system/exec/trabs=(conc) $mydisk $DISK2 > > > > > in cases where you want to: > > > > > > $define/system/trans=(conc,term) $myroot 'f$trnlnm("$mydisk")'[myroot.] > > > > > The first case will work. The second case won't work because $myroot > > > > will point to $disk2 which won't translate to whatever disk drive it is > > > > pointing to. > > > > Yes. However, if you really need to define a (CONC,TERM) logical name, > > > I would recommend writing a procedure which uses F$PARSE, NOCONCEAL etc > > > to define it properly whatever parameter is passed to it. > > > WHY would you ever "really need" to do this? The purpose of "terminal" > > is to stop logical name translation when a "terminal" equivalence name > > is encountered. You don't need "terminal" in and of itself. You only > > need it when you have to stop logical name translation. If you're > > equivalence name contains a logical name, you need to NOT make that > > equivalence name "terminal". > > Various software wants/needs terminal equivalence names for security > reasons, so a user can't redefine a logical name and thus change where > the logical name used by the software ends up (yes, there are other ways > to achieve the same effect). In such cases, the setup procedure for > this software could use such a procedure: the manager would enter the > target disk, and the procedure would translate it until it got to the > final translation and then use that for its own definitions. Then I misunderstood what you first said. I thought you wanted a logical name to point to one equivalence name with concealed and terminal attributes just for the sake of having conc and term because the other one does. (That's what I thought you said.) But the example you give here is not that. It is what I said: You do something because you need it to work a certain way according to your needs. In this example, how would it stop the user from simply redefining the application logical names? AEF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:45:31 +0000 (UTC) From: helbig@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig---remove CLOTHES to reply) Subject: Re: Volume label. Message-ID: In article <319ff94e-2a42-4f73-a808-5e533635b184@s48g2000hss.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > In this example, how would it stop the user from simply redefining the > application logical names? If they are terminal, then if one points to DSA425, he can't define DSA425 himself. As for other logical names (and what would probably work for disks as well), the application could insist explicitly on executive-mode logical names or they could be defined with NOALIAS. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2007.703 ************************