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We're in a position of needing to add more memory, but I know very little about configuring a GS1280, especially because this is my first experience with this class of machine and I was not around when they were purchased and installed. My basic question is whether I can simply expect that I can install 32GB in each GS1280, or whether there are other HW configuration questions that need to be answered first? I can access the MBM, but I don't know how to interpret its output. Any pointers, warnings, or "check this first" would be greatly appreciated! Also, if anyone has a favorite used equipment dealer that trades in GS1280 memory, that would be great too. :-) Thanks, Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 22:13:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: GS1280 Memory configuration/constraints? Message-ID: On Apr 9, 10:45=A0pm, Ken Fairfield wrote: > We have a pair of GS1280's, each hard-partitioned into two > nodes. =A0On each GS1280, one node is configured with 12 CPUs > and 40GB memory, and the other has 16 CPUs and 32GB memory. > I believe these systems can hold up to 64 CPUs since > $ SHOW MEMORY indicates the "not present" counting up to > slot 63. 32 is the max. 64 CPUs never made it commercially for OpenVMS. fwiw, Hein. Golden Eggs is always a good config guide... http://www.openvms.org/pages.php?page=3DGoldenEggs http://goldeneggs.spyderbyte.com/geggs/GEAGS1280M32a.pdf Surely you found: http://h18002.www1.hp.com/alphaserver/gs1280/ And the quickspecs: http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11921_na/11921_na.PDF fwiw, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2008 14:21:10 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Invoke program on pc? Message-ID: In article , Hal Kuff writes: > Anyone have examples of a program on an openvms system starting a > browser session on a deskop (knowing the ip) and passing a url? > Would this be DCOM? Looking for code! OK, when I put the title together with the text, I think you want your VMS system to start a browser which is running on a PC. Any reason you can't just start mozilla on VMS? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:06:20 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: Invoke program on pc? Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article , Hal Kuff writes: > >> Anyone have examples of a program on an openvms system starting a >> browser session on a deskop (knowing the ip) and passing a url? >> Would this be DCOM? Looking for code! > > > OK, when I put the title together with the text, I think you > want your VMS system to start a browser which is running on a PC. > > Any reason you can't just start mozilla on VMS? > Because he has servers in a data center not workstations on some desk and he needs a windows desktop to see what he is generating - or it could be that fork-lift driver with a mobile-PC that needs to see it?? As much as I like VMS, there IS this other world we must interact with... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:41:48 -0500 From: marty@kuhrt.net Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: <7JednVcdYOERB2DanZ2dnUVZ_sninZ2d@speakeasy.net> In article <2ab6e5fe-cfd8-486e-a0cd-eacff7f23f2d@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Galen writes: >Brendan, > >Thanks for the tip on my.indeed.com. I like the way the site is >organized. It makes it simple to filter on combinations of location, >company, etc., and seems to turn up as many VMS listings as any other >job search site I've tried. > >Galen I found that VMS is used more and more as an acronym that has nothing to do with the Best OS. When I search dice.com, et. al., with VMS I'll get hits for Vet Med Support, Java VMs, Vendor Management Systems, etc. If there is more than one listing for VMS (the OS) it will usually be multiple headhunters listing the same one opening. Sigh. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:09:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: New contact details for Guy Peleg Message-ID: <28a435ac-f678-40e6-8522-c25366668d4b@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com> On Apr 5, 2:52=A0pm, "Guy Peleg" wrote: > All, > > I wanted to bring to your attention that I have recently > left Bruden, and founded a new company called Maklee engineering. > > Maklee provides services for all enterprise operating systems (meaning > not Windows), focusing on OpenVMS, OpenVMS performance and > Oracle on OpenVMS. You may read more about us athttp://www.maklee.com > (the site is still under construction it will take about 10 days before al= l > information is available > online). > > My new email address is guy.peleg@remove_this_maklee.com > > I look forward hearing from you. > > Guy > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Dear Guy, Congratulations on your exciting new venture. You are a talented engineer and an exceptional person I am sure you will be very successful. I look forward to working with you at the Boot Camp in May. Warm Regards, Sue ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2008 14:25:18 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <9U4cIDdua6FF@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <47fc2231$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: > > Security is not a feature in programming languages. Security depends > on how the code is written. In some languages the programmer has to do extra work to prevent buffer overruns. In some languages the programmer has to do extra work to allow buffer overruns. How the code is written may be up to the programmer, but the above is a feature of the language. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2008 22:48:20 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <664vdjF2gd4t8U1@mid.individual.net> In article , "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: > Bill Gunshannon wrote: >> In article <47fc244e$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, >> Arne Vajhøj writes: >>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>> I work in a school with a graduate program in Software Engineering. >>>> It's all based on the supposed model devloped by SEI. I haven't seen >>>> anything that even begins to approach the "Software Engineering" we >>>> were doing 30 years ago before the term was even foisted on the IT >>>> industry. >>> My impression is that software engineering has advances quite a bit >>> the last 20 years. But different universities, different students >>> and different criteria s may explain the difference. >> >> What they teach as the SE methodology does not even come close to the >> amount of "engineering" we put into projects back in my applications >> programming days (late 70's early 80's). And we won't even go into >> the fact that the teaching is all lip service because none of the >> students actually apply it to their coursework and none of the >> professors seem to care. >> >>>> And languages like PHP and Perl are based on a paradigm >>>> that is the antithesis of SE. The people using them make the old >>>> BASIC programmers look like consumate professionals!! I wonder what >>>> Dijkstra would have said about these languages as compared to his >>>> "love" of BASIC. :-) >>> I am not good enough in Perl to comment on that. >>> >>> PHP support well structured procedural and object oriented >>> programming. >>> >>> PHP does not even have a goto statement. >> >> Just like one can write good programs even with GOTO, the lack of one >> does not magically make programs written in a language structured, >> elegant or proper. "Rapid prototyping" languages by their very nature >> and the paradigm they espouse are the antithesis of SE. >> >>> I doubt that Dijkstra would have anything bad to say about >>> that. >> >> Based on all the things wrong with the underlying paradigm of the >> language, the least of which is a non-existant security model, I >> would hope you were wrong. Sadly, we will never know. >> >> bill >> > > Ummm.... Just how do you build "security" into a programming language? > Does "C" have security? Macro-32?? Fortran? PL/1? DCL? Does "C" run under an interpretor that let's outsiders run random pieces of code (or even just available comands) on the machines where it's programs are installed? Does Macro32? Fortran? Get the picture? The people who developed PHP built this "wonderful" feature into their system. > > I've never actually used some of the newer languages like PERL, PHP, and > doubtless others I've either not heard of or have forgotten. If I can't > do it in DCL, Fortran, C, Macro-32, sh, or ksh I can't do it! Someday > maybe I'll encounter a problem which none of the tools I'm accustomed to > can handle. Then I'll learn a new tool. > > I've always thought of security being a function of the O/S which does, > or should, control who can access files with intent to change them, who > can execute a program, who can peek into memory that does not belong to > him, etc, etc. With the exception of ksh I see no scripting languages in your list. That's a good thing. I also none of the so called "rapid prototyping" languages. That is also a good thing. Nice to see there are still a few real profesional programmers left, but I fear we are a rapidly dying breed. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: 9 Apr 2008 22:53:32 GMT From: billg999@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: <664vncF2gd4t8U2@mid.individual.net> In article <9U4cIDdua6FF@eisner.encompasserve.org>, koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) writes: > In article <47fc2231$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= writes: >> >> Security is not a feature in programming languages. Security depends >> on how the code is written. > > In some languages the programmer has to do extra work to prevent > buffer overruns. In some languages the programmer has to do extra > work to allow buffer overruns. And, if it was such a bad thing, why would they even include a way to do it, unless there actually are times when it is necessary. I was always amazed at how much the Profs here stressed things in Ada (back when that was the undergraduate language du jour) like strong type casting and array and bounds checking while using a text that devoted an entire chapter at the back of the book to how one got around all of this!! > > How the code is written may be up to the programmer, but the above > is a feature of the language. You should have stopped at the first sentence. The second just bring up the old adage, "It's a poor workman who blames his tools." again. bill -- Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three wolves billg999@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. University of Scranton | Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:35:56 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Php invented by a former DECcie ? Message-ID: Bill Gunshannon wrote: > In article , > "Richard B. Gilbert" writes: >> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>> In article <47fc244e$0$90268$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>, >>> Arne Vajhøj writes: >>>> Bill Gunshannon wrote: >>>>> I work in a school with a graduate program in Software Engineering. >>>>> It's all based on the supposed model devloped by SEI. I haven't seen >>>>> anything that even begins to approach the "Software Engineering" we >>>>> were doing 30 years ago before the term was even foisted on the IT >>>>> industry. >>>> My impression is that software engineering has advances quite a bit >>>> the last 20 years. But different universities, different students >>>> and different criteria s may explain the difference. >>> What they teach as the SE methodology does not even come close to the >>> amount of "engineering" we put into projects back in my applications >>> programming days (late 70's early 80's). And we won't even go into >>> the fact that the teaching is all lip service because none of the >>> students actually apply it to their coursework and none of the >>> professors seem to care. >>> >>>>> And languages like PHP and Perl are based on a paradigm >>>>> that is the antithesis of SE. The people using them make the old >>>>> BASIC programmers look like consumate professionals!! I wonder what >>>>> Dijkstra would have said about these languages as compared to his >>>>> "love" of BASIC. :-) >>>> I am not good enough in Perl to comment on that. >>>> >>>> PHP support well structured procedural and object oriented >>>> programming. >>>> >>>> PHP does not even have a goto statement. >>> Just like one can write good programs even with GOTO, the lack of one >>> does not magically make programs written in a language structured, >>> elegant or proper. "Rapid prototyping" languages by their very nature >>> and the paradigm they espouse are the antithesis of SE. >>> >>>> I doubt that Dijkstra would have anything bad to say about >>>> that. >>> Based on all the things wrong with the underlying paradigm of the >>> language, the least of which is a non-existant security model, I >>> would hope you were wrong. Sadly, we will never know. >>> >>> bill >>> >> Ummm.... Just how do you build "security" into a programming language? >> Does "C" have security? Macro-32?? Fortran? PL/1? DCL? > > Does "C" run under an interpretor that let's outsiders run random > pieces of code (or even just available comands) on the machines > where it's programs are installed? Does Macro32? Fortran? Get > the picture? The people who developed PHP built this "wonderful" > feature into their system. > >> I've never actually used some of the newer languages like PERL, PHP, and >> doubtless others I've either not heard of or have forgotten. If I can't >> do it in DCL, Fortran, C, Macro-32, sh, or ksh I can't do it! Someday >> maybe I'll encounter a problem which none of the tools I'm accustomed to >> can handle. Then I'll learn a new tool. >> >> I've always thought of security being a function of the O/S which does, >> or should, control who can access files with intent to change them, who >> can execute a program, who can peek into memory that does not belong to >> him, etc, etc. > > With the exception of ksh I see no scripting languages in your list. How did you miss DCL. Don't you think of DCL as a "scripting language". Unix people seem to have a little difficulty distinguishing it from COBOL. I've been writing DCL for twenty-four years now. It's not the perfect scripting language but it has gotten a lot better over the years. Adding the ELSE clause to the IF statement was a giant step forward. > That's a good thing. I also none of the so called "rapid prototyping" > languages. That is also a good thing. Nice to see there are still a > few real profesional programmers left, but I fear we are a rapidly > dying breed. Sometimes speedy development is "of the essence"! The boss needs something and he needs it right now! If Perl or PHP will get it done faster that's what you use. The error is not in using PHP, or Perl or some other scripting language. The error is putting the PHP, Perl, etc, into production and leaving it there. I recall such a job. On one of our clusters something was creating files. The existence of the files interfered with something else. I've forgotten the details but the above is close enough for government work! I was tasked with writing a script that would find and delete these troublesome files before they caused a problem. It took me an hour or so with my boss's boss hovering and asking "Isn't it done yet?" . . . "Isn't it done yet?". . . . DCL was all I had to work with. It's possible that, had I had Perl or PHP, it could have been done faster. I don't know because I have only a slight acquaintance with Perl and none at all with PHP. My DCL script was only fifteen or twenty lines of code but every line of it had to be RIGHT! It had to delete the right files and not delete anything else and it had to run every thirty seconds (or something like that). Initially it would simply write a message "I think I should delete ". I as soon as we were satisfied that it was selecting the proper files to be deleted, I added the actual delete statement and turned it loose. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 16:26:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Sue Subject: Re: Request for DCL improvement (say) Message-ID: <6a8c1b81-8062-48be-aa02-e625496aa5bf@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com> On Apr 7, 9:21=A0am, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article , > =A0m.krae...@gsi.de (Michael Kraemer) wrote: > > > In article , Glenn Everhart > > writes: > > > > Amigas have had "say" since the mid 1980s too. Nice, but an added wrin= kle > > > was added for one of the later AmigaDos versions: a pseudo device spea= k: > > > which > > > could be written to as an ordinary sequential device and would speak > > > whatever > > > was written to it. That made it pretty trivial to take almost any prog= ram > > > and add the ability for it to speak things. > > > Yes, but it spoke (OK, my Amiga 1000 still speaks) with a strong US acce= nt. > > It took me quite some time to find out the character sequence > > to pronounce German words correctly, ... > > Agreed about the accent. I had a neighbour called Oliver who had one and > it pronounced his name "Oh-live-er" (the "live" pronounced as in "live > performance"). > > > i.e. important ones such as "Scheisse", among others. > > :-) > > -- > Paul Sture > > Sue's OpenVMS bookmarks:http://eisner.encompasserve.org/~sture/ovms-bookma= rks.html Just to clarify there is no burning of anyone at the Boot Camp - We have so many new folks attending this year I do not want them to get the wrong idea. However I am thinking of burning some of the older tapes that used to leave flecks of metal oxide in the drive (really you data was GONE), These were not DEC tapes. Actually we do not have time for this, Monday night we do have bedtime stories where we talk about using VMS and win prizes. One year Andy G and the entire judge panel of engineers dressed as wizards. We have a real gong for when the story gets to long. Session abstracts are on the VMS website. Boot Camp http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/index.html Abstracts http://h71000.www7.hp.com/symposium/may_2008/abstracts_all.html Sue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 21:23:32 +0100 From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" Subject: Re: System Programming Resources for Alpha Architecture Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Apr 2008, Tom Linden wrote: > Fair enough, however, unless you are doing absolute address programming it > doesn't > make too much sense since the techniques and tools on VMS are very different > from > that on Tru64 or Linux. At the assembler level you could share techniques I > suppose, > but then why would anyone want to use an assembly language. Because they are working on the operating system itself for example -- as it was mentioned in this thread a couple of times? Not everything can be done in a high-level language, no matter how moderately it was. Maciej ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.200 ************************