INFO-VAX Mon, 14 Apr 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 208 Contents: Re: analyze/audit options to display password RE: Chip Head Stuff: Tukwila (Itanium) demoed at IDF 2008 Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ? Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ? Re: Mercurial on OpenVMS webserver OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: VMS advertising ! Re: VMS advertising ! Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:59:53 -0700 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: analyze/audit options to display password Message-ID: <66fs5vF2k5r9gU1@mid.individual.net> P. Sture wrote: [...] > It's documented in Guy Peleg's Powerpoint "V8.3 New Features" > presentation he gave in Brussels in early 2007. The presentations can be > found on the front page at > > http://deathrow.vistech.net/ > > (If you don't have Powerpoint, drop me a private e-mail and I will see > what I can do) > > Meanwhile, these are the symbols defined when /STATUS is used: > > $ sea sys$help:*.release_notes search$ > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched > $ show sym search* > %DCL-W-UNDSYM, undefined symbol - check validity and spelling > $ sea sys$help:*.release_notes search$/status > > Files searched: 175 Buffered I/O count: 705 > Records searched: 204095 Direct I/O count: 230 > Characters searched: 6684769 Page faults: 26 > Records matched: 0 Elapsed CPU time: 0 00:00:01.50 > Lines printed: 0 Elapsed time: 0 00:00:01.51 > %SEARCH-I-NOMATCHES, no strings matched > $ show sym search* > SEARCH$CHARACTERS_SEARCHED = "6684769" > SEARCH$FILES_SEARCHED = "175" > SEARCH$LINES_PRINTED = "0" > SEARCH$RECORDS_MATCHED = "0" > SEARCH$RECORDS_SEARCHED = "204095" > $ Very cool! I grabbed the ppt from the deathrow URL. Thanks for the pointer. :-) -Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:08:47 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Chip Head Stuff: Tukwila (Itanium) demoed at IDF 2008 Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: JF Mezei [mailto:jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca] > Sent: April 10, 2008 6:39 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Chip Head Stuff: Tukwila (Itanium) demoed at IDF 2008 > > Neil Rieck wrote: > > Tukwila > > > > On the mainframe server side, Intel will demonstrate its next- > > generation Itanium processor, codenamed Tukwila. > > How recent is this article ? I remember reading something in the > Inquirer about Intel having demoed IA64 some time ago with a joke that > whatever they tried to boot on it crashed. This would have been a week > or two ago. > > Has Intel done another demo since then ? A few recent articles: http://tinyurl.com/yvp7wb Pat Gelsinger presentation http://tinyurl.com/6q337j (Intel site PDF) (btw, first chip he talked about in slides was Tukwila) Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:31:20 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > JF Mezei wrote: >> Michael Kraemer wrote: >>> VAXstations OTOH were ridiculously overprized >>> compared to their RISC counterparts. >> Replace the word "ridiculously" with "artificially". >> DEC suffered from the "must not allow our high margin customers from >> starting to buy more powerful and cheaper systems from us". They never >> thought about attracting more new customers to compensate for the high >> marghin customers buying cheaper systems from DEC. >> So those high margin customers ended up buying smaller, more powerful >> and cheaper systems from companies DEC refused to admit competed against >> itself. (like compaq/microsoft) >> DEC had had many opportunities from the early 1980s to the late 1980s >> to >> really make it big. They missed them. Miseed the boat and were left >> behind. > > No doubt that they had high margins. > > But my guess is that the production costs were also higher. There was littl exchangeability of parts amongst the various models > > VAX'es was build to last for decades and did (still do in some > cases). > > PC's are a use and throw away commodity. Nobody really cares > if the parts start to fail after 4 years of 5x8 usage. > > Arne -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:25:58 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: Longtime VMS system manager/programmer available Message-ID: Tom Linden wrote: > On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 08:59:24 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > >> JF Mezei wrote: >>> Michael Kraemer wrote: >>>> VAXstations OTOH were ridiculously overprized >>>> compared to their RISC counterparts. >>> Replace the word "ridiculously" with "artificially". >>> DEC suffered from the "must not allow our high margin customers from >>> starting to buy more powerful and cheaper systems from us". They never >>> thought about attracting more new customers to compensate for the high >>> marghin customers buying cheaper systems from DEC. >>> So those high margin customers ended up buying smaller, more powerful >>> and cheaper systems from companies DEC refused to admit competed against >>> itself. (like compaq/microsoft) >>> DEC had had many opportunities from the early 1980s to the late >>> 1980s to >>> really make it big. They missed them. Miseed the boat and were left >>> behind. >> >> No doubt that they had high margins. >> >> But my guess is that the production costs were also higher. > > There was littl exchangeability of parts amongst the various models > Little? How about none? It looked as if every machine was designed from scratch. If you can find a VERY OLD DEC catalog, take a look at the RZ26 disk drive. There were twenty or thirty different variants. The difference? The mounting hardware!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:50:56 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ? Message-ID: <48028E50.CB2A5147@spam.comcast.net> "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: > > On 13 Apr 2008 at 4:37, JF Mezei wrote: > > Can anyone confirm that it is safe to put a larger disk if the hardware > > only reports 128 gigs available ? (aka, won't overwrite data etc). > > Don't know if it's "safe", but I have a DPWS 500au with a 200 GB disk that's been working > fine for several years. It reports 268435455 blocks (131072 MB). 131072 / 1024 = 128(GB) David J Dachtera (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:16:33 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ? Message-ID: David J Dachtera wrote: > "Stanley F. Quayle" wrote: >> Don't know if it's "safe", but I have a DPWS 500au with a 200 GB disk that's been working >> fine for several years. It reports 268435455 blocks (131072 MB). > > 131072 / 1024 = 128(GB) > $ df > Filesystem 512-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/disk0s10 268148736 120903128 146733608 45% / Interesting difference between 268435455 and 268148736 = 286719 blocks or roughly 139 megs. How much disk space would VMS reserve vs OS-X for its "partition" and boot blocks etc ? Could that amount to it ? Diskutil (GUI equivalent of DF) reports: 128.0 GB (137,438,952,960 Bytes) for the actual hard drive 127.9 GB (137,303,797,760 Bytes) for the OS-X partition (the only one) For the hard drive, the number of bytes / 512 gives the same number of blocks as quoted by Mr Quayle. So I guess OS-X wastes some disk space when partitioning the drive. Still, 139 megs is not an anount to sneeze at. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:12:24 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= Subject: Re: Mercurial on OpenVMS webserver Message-ID: <48025b18$0$19969$426a34cc@news.free.fr> Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote: > > > Jean-François Piéronne wrote: >> Jeffrey H. Coffield wrote: >>> Has anyone been able to get Mercurial to work with any web server on >>> OpenVMS? I have it working on Apache/Linux but the same configuration >>> with Apache on OpenVMS seems to have a disconnect in the way Apache >>> passes CGI data to Mercurial. >>> >> >> Mercurial run without any problem with WASD. I host on my site a few >> repositories without any problem (synchronized with VMS, Linux, >> Windows system). >> Currently my site is currently offline because my router has failed, >> expect to be online next week. >> >>> Using the server built into Mercurial would seem to require a >>> separate port for each project. >>> >> >> I'm not aware of such restriction but I will take a look if it's >> really a restiction of the embedded server. >> An example of a site serving many repositories from the URL (same >> server, same port): >> http://hg.enanocms.org/repos >> >> >> >> JFP > > Thanks, > > I have had trouble getting to your site. I'll look at WASD. Do you have My router has failed, I expect to change it during the forthcoming days. > a sample configuration for Mercurial on WASD? extract from httpd$map: """ [[hg.vmspython.dyndns.org:80]] pass /static/* /mercurial_root/mercurial/templates/static/* pass /vmspython/static/* /mercurial_root/mercurial/templates/static/* script+ * /dev/dir/hgcgiplus* \ map=once ods=5 script=syntax=unix script=query=none \ script=as=hgusr throttle=1,,,30 """ for each repository add a rule like the /vmspython/static one You can use the script mercurial_root:[vms]hgcgiplus.com as a template to build the dev:[dir]hgcgiplus.com Extract from hgweb.config file """ [paths] vmspython = repo/vmspython """ add a line for each repository You can take a look at http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/PublishingRepositories and http://www.selenic.com/mercurial/wiki/index.cgi/HgWebDirStepByStep which contains generic informations about setting/publishing repositories. I will update the wiki later. JFP ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:56:13 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <48028F8D.E9D50E8C@spam.comcast.net> Looking for someone who would be willing to correspond with me off-line about building web pages by hand (in a text editor). How to de-mung the reply-to should be obvious. David J Dachtera (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:44:47 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <48029aea$0$90264$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> David J Dachtera wrote: > Looking for someone who would be willing to correspond with me off-line > about building web pages by hand (in a text editor). Any special needs ? Most people write HTML with a text editor. And there must be a bazillion guides out there. Pure HTML ? With CSS ? With CSS and JavaScript ? I think you will have better chance of attracting the right skills if you describe in more detail what you need. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:28:54 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <4a96e$4802b307$cef8887a$10437@TEKSAVVY.COM> David J Dachtera wrote: > Looking for someone who would be willing to correspond with me off-line > about building web pages by hand (in a text editor). http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/ is the referenbce for real HTML. That site also has stuff about XHTML. For style sheets, http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:40:55 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 16:44:47 -0700, Arne Vajhøj wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote: >> Looking for someone who would be willing to correspond with me off-line >> about building web pages by hand (in a text editor). > > Any special needs ? > > Most people write HTML with a text editor. And there must be > a bazillion guides out there. > > Pure HTML ? With CSS ? With CSS and JavaScript ? > > I think you will have better chance of attracting the right > skills if you describe in more detail what you need. > > Arne Find some pages you like, copy them and figure it out from there, that is what I do, pretty easy stuff. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:41:29 -0400 From: Bob Willard Subject: Re: VMS advertising ! Message-ID: AEF wrote: > On Apr 11, 1:58 pm, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Bill Gunshannon [mailto:billg...@cs.uofs.edu] >>>Sent: April 10, 2008 6:45 PM >>>To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com >>>Subject: Re: VMS advertising ! >> >>>In article >>324e7907b...@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, >>> nomail2...@aol.com writes: >> >>>>Someone else using VMS as a trademark: >> >>>>Vulnerability Management System (VMS) from i-security >> >>>As I pointed out here in the past, DISA has been using the term VMS for >>>their >>>"Vulnerability Management System" for a number of years already. I >>>think it >>>is safe to assume at this point that the term VMS is up for grabs even >>>when >>>used in an IT reference. >> >>>bill >> >>>-- >>>Bill Gunshannon | de-moc-ra-cy (di mok' ra see) n. Three >>>wolves >>>billg...@cs.scranton.edu | and a sheep voting on what's for dinner. >>>University of Scranton | >>>Scranton, Pennsylvania | #include >> >>The official name is OpenVMS, so why would anyone bother protecting the name "VMS?" >> >>(ok, besides sentimental reasons?) >> >>For kicks, google "VMS" and watch how mant different hits you get. >> >>A few examples: >> >>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/cscowork/ps2330/ >> >>http://www.vmsom.com/ >> >>http://www.vmsventures.com/ >> >>http://www.vmslimited.co.uk/ >> >>http://www.vms-at.com/ >> >>http://www.vms.edu/Default.asp?bhcp=1 >> >>Regards >> >>Kerry Main >>Senior Consultant >>HP Services Canada >>Voice: 613-254-8911 >>Fax: 613-591-4477 >>kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom >>(remove the DOT's and AT) >> >>OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. > > > While it may or may no matter for VMS, at least one company protects > its old names: Exxon Mobil. Before the merger I distinctly remember > seeing tiny Esso labels on their gas pumps. (And post-merger we still > see separate Exxon and Mobil gas stations.) But I admit this may be > because it's still sold as Esso outside the U.S. But I'd think they'd > still do it even if that weren't true. (Apparently you can't keep a > trade mark as exclusively your own if you don't use it.) I don't know > if they still do this. I think I saw a similar thing for another > company but I don't recall for sure. > > So at least such a thing is not unheard of. > > AEF And, FWIW, Esso was derived from S.O., which stood for Standard Oil, which (under several names) sprang from John D. Rockefeller's monopoly. -- Cheers, Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:49:15 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: VMS advertising ! Message-ID: <48028DEB.F9278624@spam.comcast.net> "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: > > From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > > > Does anyone really take the name change seriously? > > Well, duh. The people who _made_ the change did. Just like the > people who thought that there was a pressing need to change the color of > the |d|i|g|i|t|a|l| logo. And so on. > > I like to think that it's not my fault that I was born on the planet > where the "B" Ark landed. (This may or may not be true.) Google for "Asperger" and you may find that you and I and many others have many "kin", even on THIS planet. David J Dachtera (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:25:20 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: bradhamilton writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >> Just found out that some/many circa 1999 machines have IDE (now called >> ATA) interfaces that only see the first 128 gigs of drives. >Why not use SCSI, instead? Unfortunately, a DS10L has exactly one slot. It has IDE built-in but not SCSI. If you use the slot for a SCSI controller, you can't put anything else in it, like a graphics board to use it as a workstation. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: yyyc186 Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <81735f30-054a-496b-b474-58f2efdf5d88@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Apr 13, 1:25 pm, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > bradhamilton writes: > >JF Mezei wrote: > >> Just found out that some/many circa 1999 machines have IDE (now called > >> ATA) interfaces that only see the first 128 gigs of drives. > >Why not use SCSI, instead? > > Unfortunately, a DS10L has exactly one slot. It has IDE built-in but not > SCSI. If you use the slot for a SCSI controller, you can't put anything > else in it, like a graphics board to use it as a workstation. Call your friend David at Island Computers. There is some kind of combination card available for these beasts. I bought a DS10 from him (don't know the model letter) and it is using both IDE and SCSI. I put the SCSI drives in an external enclosure I had. IDE is like watching ice melt in December on these things. It won't recognize any IDE drive larger than 120 Gig. I use my IDE drive for backup storage and run everything else on SCSI. The CD-ROM is IDE as well. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:03:55 GMT From: Malcolm Dunnett Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: Steven M. Schweda wrote: > From: bradhamilton > >> Once I get some spare cash, I'm going to start replacing the 73G with >> 146G, just to see if they will work. A 146G, 10K RPM SCSI disk is >> selling on e-bay with a starting price of USD$55. Why go IDE? > > I've found that the starting price and the ending ("selling") price > on eBay often differ substantially. Yep. I'd say a good ballpark figure on eBay for a Fujitsu 147GB 10k drive would be $80-100 for a "white label" (refurbished) drive (or a used drive)and about $125-175 for a new branded drive. Of course better (and worse) deals can be had. > I did get a bargain on a "SEAGATE > ST373453LC", but that was because I was bidding on a 36GB drive, the > seller sent the wrong one, and he let me keep the bigger one rather than > invest in a multiple re-shipment ordeal. > There are sometimes some fantastic bargains. I once got a cabinet with three fully functional quad 667MHz ES40s, each with 8GB of memory along with some miscellaneous bits (Memory Channel hub and some disks) for $250 (basically the guy was selling the cabinet and throwing in whatever "junk" was inside it). > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Steven M. Schweda sms@antinode.org > 382 South Warwick Street (+1) 651-699-9818 > Saint Paul MN 55105-2547 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 17:54:32 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <48028F28.98EEAD04@spam.comcast.net> "Steven M. Schweda" wrote: > [snip] > I've found that the starting price and the ending ("selling") price > on eBay often differ substantially. You can limit searches to those items offered with "Buy It Now" only. Few sellers use that, however, unfortuantely. David J Dachtera (formerly dba) DJE Systems ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 00:14:04 GMT From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: Arne Vajhøj wrote: > bradhamilton wrote: >> I thought that the DS10L had an internal SCSI card (for the CD?). > > http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/10551_na/10551_na.html > > says: > > Storage Controller Onboard IDE controller for internal storage, > choice of optional storage controllers > > Storage Diskette Drive/CD-ROM Optional > Hard Drives 20-GB and 40-GB IDE disk drives or > 18.2-GB and 36.4-GB UltraSCSI disk > drives available with optional SCSI > controller There is only one PCI slot in a 10L. If you have the $$$ you can always use that slot for Fiber to your SAN. So choose wisely grasshopper. > > (it does not say so, but I am pretty sure that the optional CD does > not use the optional SCSI controller, but are on IDE as well) and you would be correct. they are the IDE CDRom's. > > Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 18:11:28 -0700 (PDT) From: FrankS Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <833ef658-9f13-4817-af9c-f411687b7dba@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Apr 13, 8:14=A0pm, Michael Austin wrote: > There is only one PCI slot in a 10L. If you have the $$$ you can always > use that slot for Fiber to your SAN. So choose wisely grasshopper. I'll second that notion. I have two DS10Ls with fiber cards, connected to an early SANswitch/8, connected to an HSG80, which is inside a BA370 array, which holds 146gb disk drives, in Top Gun Blue SBBs. All purchased for practically pennies on eBay. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:23:02 -0700 From: Ken Fairfield Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <66ftheF2j4ctdU1@mid.individual.net> FrankS wrote: > On Apr 13, 8:14 pm, Michael Austin wrote: >> There is only one PCI slot in a 10L. If you have the $$$ you can always >> use that slot for Fiber to your SAN. So choose wisely grasshopper. > > I'll second that notion. I have two DS10Ls with fiber cards, > connected to an early SANswitch/8, connected to an HSG80, which is > inside a BA370 array, which holds 146gb disk drives, in Top Gun Blue > SBBs. All purchased for practically pennies on eBay. Really? They put 146GB drives in an SBB??? When did that happen? The largest I ever encountered were 36GB in an SBB, power dissipation being a big problem. I thought that by the time they went to 72GB, then 146GB, only the "universal" form factor drives (MSA12000 cabs, etc.) were available. -Ken -- Ken & Ann Fairfield What: Ken dot And dot Ann Where: Gmail dot Com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:44:57 -0400 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Arne_Vajh=F8j?= Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: <4802c524$0$90267$14726298@news.sunsite.dk> Ken Fairfield wrote: > FrankS wrote: >> On Apr 13, 8:14 pm, Michael Austin wrote: >>> There is only one PCI slot in a 10L. If you have the $$$ you can always >>> use that slot for Fiber to your SAN. So choose wisely grasshopper. >> >> I'll second that notion. I have two DS10Ls with fiber cards, >> connected to an early SANswitch/8, connected to an HSG80, which is >> inside a BA370 array, which holds 146gb disk drives, in Top Gun Blue >> SBBs. All purchased for practically pennies on eBay. > > Really? They put 146GB drives in an SBB??? When did that happen? > The largest I ever encountered were 36GB in an SBB, power dissipation > being a big problem. I thought that by the time they went to 72GB, > then 146GB, only the "universal" form factor drives (MSA12000 cabs, > etc.) were available. I think he has put a non-DEC newer SCSI drive into an old SBB. Arne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 20:12:24 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Why not SCSI? (was:Re: Maximum IDE disk size for DS10L ?) Message-ID: On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 19:23:02 -0700, Ken Fairfield wrote: > FrankS wrote: >> On Apr 13, 8:14 pm, Michael Austin wrote: >>> There is only one PCI slot in a 10L. If you have the $$$ you can always >>> use that slot for Fiber to your SAN. So choose wisely grasshopper. >> I'll second that notion. I have two DS10Ls with fiber cards, >> connected to an early SANswitch/8, connected to an HSG80, which is >> inside a BA370 array, which holds 146gb disk drives, in Top Gun Blue >> SBBs. All purchased for practically pennies on eBay. > > Really? They put 146GB drives in an SBB??? When did that happen? > The largest I ever encountered were 36GB in an SBB, power dissipation > being a big problem. I thought that by the time they went to 72GB, > then 146GB, only the "universal" form factor drives (MSA12000 cabs, > etc.) were available. > > -Ken These drives typically consume 12 - 15 W in staedyb state -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.208 ************************