INFO-VAX Sat, 03 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 246 Contents: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals Re: Changing Broadcast mask Re: Changing Broadcast mask Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: Encompass - Endeavour Re: Odd backup corruption Re: OT Something pretty cool. Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: OT: Need HTML Help Re: RMS record much longer that format attribute proclaims. TCPIP$BIND modification Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Re: VAX 6310 Free to a good home Re: XP1000 workstations going low pricing ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:30:39 -0700 (PDT) From: urbancamo Subject: Re: Any one out there have VAX APL Manuals Message-ID: <2536f26d-1547-4868-a383-dde15fd6401a@m36g2000hse.googlegroups.com> With thanks to the excellent people involved in scanning and posting the VAX APL manuals, I now have a working system :) However, this of course means I now have a tonne of questions... Something I can't figure out is how to get APL character overstriking to work (for example to produce the domino character, or combining 'o' and '*'). As far as I can tell the manual suggests in a DECWindows environment that using Ctrl-D between the two component characters will work, but it doesn't work. I've also tried the COMPOSE key to no avail. Marc: maybe you can shed some light? Maybe I'm missing something in the configuration. Anyone interested can see a screenshot at http://www.wickensonline.co.uk/public-gallery/VAXen/vax-apl-4.0-1.jpg. I also have a VT520 which when I startup VAX APL as a VT320 displays APL characters as mapped to the keyboard but I have the same problem in using overstrike. Oh, and as for the keyboard, well, if I can get APL working correctly I may just bite the bullet and buy a 2nd hand one (yes, some people still have the LK201 variant!) Thanks for the help, Mark. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 17:12:04 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Changing Broadcast mask Message-ID: <481b8416$0$12341$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> $ TCPIP SET CONFIG INTERFACE /BROADCAST_MASK= > If correct, it demonstrates the existence of a "broadcast mask" but > fails to define what a "broadcast mask" is/does. SET CONFIGURATION INTERFACE /BROADCAST_MASK /BROADCAST_MASK=IP_address Optional. Sets the Internet interface to receive all broadcast messages. TCP/IP Services calculates the default by the following methods: o Using the network number o Setting all bits in the host number field to 1 I believe that this refers to the broadcast address. > Interface: WE0 > IP_Addr: 10.0.0.11 NETWRK: 255.255.0.0 BRDCST: 10.0.255.255 > Ethernet_Addr: AA-00-04-00-0B-04 MTU: 1500 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:18:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Phillips Subject: Re: Changing Broadcast mask Message-ID: <6a6bd80a-88ee-41ff-81e0-bf649183274f@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 2, 11:31 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Michael T. Davis wrote: > > In article , "Richard B. Gilbert > > writes: > > >> Tom Linden wrote: > >>> HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.6 - ECO 1 > >>> on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V8.3 > > >>> Have a flaky ISP so had to change IPs > > >>> Running TCPIP$CONFIG I can't find an entry for changing the Broadcast Mask > >>> When I run through the menu, shutdown and start and do an IFCONFIG > >>> it still, of course, shows the old mask, because I nowhere found a query to > >>> change it. > > >>> What did I miss? > > >> What is a "broadcast mask"? There's a broadcast address and a subnet > >> mask but I don't believe that I've ever encountered a "broadcast mask"! > > > What about... > > > $ TCPIP SET CONFIG INTERFACE /BROADCAST_MASK= > > > ...? > > > Regards, > > Mike > > -- > > | Systems Specialist: CBE,MSE > > Michael T. Davis (Mike) | Departmental Networking/Computing > > http://www.ecr6.ohio-state.edu/~davism/| The Ohio State University > > | 197 Watts, (614) 292-6928 > > If correct, it demonstrates the existence of a "broadcast mask" but > fails to define what a "broadcast mask" is/does. from: Broadcast mask A mask used to interpret the IP address as a broadcast address. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2008 14:45:22 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Message-ID: In article , Gremlin writes: > > When it reboots, all is fine *except* that it has now decided that the > OPENVMS-ALPHA license is expired. Sounds like a clock problem. I had this for a while at the turn of the year, VMS and NTP were in disagreement over what year it wasa. > %SYSINIT-E- volume already mounted on a differently-named device, status > = 00728 > > OK, what volume? There is only one disk in each box, MSCP_LOAD and > MSCP_SERVE_ALL are both 0....what have I done wrong (again)! The systems disks (in your case, only disks) on the nodes have the same volume name. That is not allowed in a cluster. Boot the first node, use "set volume/label" to change it's system disk label, boot the second, ... ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2008 14:47:38 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Message-ID: In article , Gremlin writes: > > When it reboots, all is fine *except* that it has now decided that the > OPENVMS-ALPHA license is expired. Checking the database it shows an > expiry of August. The LMF logical points to SYS$COMMON:[SYSEXE] as I > think it should. So, some things won't start and I can only log in from > the console. Funny thing is that TCP/IP and everyhting else is fine - > the web server works and is accessible, FTP works - I can't log in. Expired or not available? In a cluster the VMS license is node specific, and this must be designated on each license via /include= . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:45:44 -0700 (PDT) From: DanO Subject: Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Message-ID: <5c45f720-42ee-4a24-b683-dcc7a18de96a@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> The two commands (/INCLUDE and /EXCLUDE) are totally different, and both work EXACTLY as they should: /INCLUDE=(node-name[,node-name,...]) Only the listed node(s) can access the specified license. /EXCLUDE=(node-name[,node-name,...]) Any node other than the listed node(s) can access the specified license. In your 3 node cluster, /INCLUDE=ALPHA Would be exactly the same as /EXCLUDE=(BETA,GAMMA) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:59:58 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Message-ID: DanO wrote: > The two commands (/INCLUDE and /EXCLUDE) are totally different, > and both work EXACTLY as they should: > > /INCLUDE=(node-name[,node-name,...]) > Only the listed node(s) can access the specified license. > > /EXCLUDE=(node-name[,node-name,...]) > Any node other than the listed node(s) can access the specified > license. > > > In your 3 node cluster, > > /INCLUDE=ALPHA > > Would be exactly the same as > > /EXCLUDE=(BETA,GAMMA) > But the base license is NO_SHARE, so (on a cluster) can only be loaded by a node on the /INCLUDE list, which was initially blank. For shareable licenses, I think it works exactly as you describe, but for NO_SHARE licenses, /EXLUDE is essentially useless. From other replies, it sounds like /EXCLUDE didn't help the OP, but /INCLUDE fixed the problem. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 May 2008 09:01:04 +1000 From: Gremlin Subject: Re: Cluster problems - or maybe license problems? Message-ID: <3vOdnRV0EomsAIbVnZ2dnUVZ_sDinZ2d@internode> DanO wrote: > The two commands (/INCLUDE and /EXCLUDE) are totally different, > and both work EXACTLY as they should: > > /INCLUDE=(node-name[,node-name,...]) > Only the listed node(s) can access the specified license. > > /EXCLUDE=(node-name[,node-name,...]) > Any node other than the listed node(s) can access the specified > license. > > > In your 3 node cluster, > > /INCLUDE=ALPHA > > Would be exactly the same as > > /EXCLUDE=(BETA,GAMMA) > Except that on booting, the /EXCLUDE=(BETA,GAMMA) produces an error message whereas the /INCLUDE=ALPHA works! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 15:12:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: Guess I voted on the losing side. Just got an email, and here's a quote: " As of this week, the vote for consolidation of Encompass, ITUG and HP-Interex EMEA is final and the consolidation has been approved by our respective membership communities. It's time to meet your new HP user community: Connect , Your Independent HP Business Technology Community . " "Connect". Well, connect me to HP's marketing department please, I've got something I want to say to them. Guess we'll see what happens next. Rich ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 23:04:32 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: <46NSj.1813$qW.1436@trnddc06> Rich Jordan wrote: > Guess I voted on the losing side. Just got an email, and here's a > quote: > > " As of this week, the vote for consolidation of Encompass, ITUG and > HP-Interex EMEA is final and the consolidation has been approved by > our respective membership communities. It's time to meet your new HP > user community: Connect , Your Independent HP Business Technology > Community . " > > "Connect". Well, connect me to HP's marketing department please, I've > got something I want to say to them. > > Guess we'll see what happens next. > > Rich How about naming the various SIGs "Connect*", such as ConnectDECUS, ConnectITUG and ConnectInterex, etc.? Then, we just need to remember that like the word "Open", "Connect" is silent. -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 21:24:17 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: Encompass - Endeavour Message-ID: <481bbf65$0$31180$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Rich Jordan wrote: > " As of this week, the vote for consolidation of Encompass, ITUG and > HP-Interex EMEA is final and the consolidation has been approved by > our respective membership communities. Funny, as a DECUS Canada (or whatever its name is this week) member, I was never told about such a vote. One should point out that HP now gets most of its profits from outside of the USA, and I would have hoped that "outside of the USA" would have had a fair participation in what appears to be a mock vote. A rolling stone gathers no moss. DECUS had had all its moss but it was all zapped and the worldwide branding destroyed. And now they are starting from scratch. It would have been better for DECUS to be reformed as a SIG of Interex. ------------------------------ Date: 2 May 2008 14:40:23 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Odd backup corruption Message-ID: <9ZEXC5rp0Y$6@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article , Tom Wade writes: > > The next thing I'm going to try is to replace the memory. > I hope you have some other backup. I'm starting to think you'll need to replace the disk. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 21:54:04 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: OT Something pretty cool. Message-ID: <481BD3CC.63B048BE@spam.comcast.net> JF Mezei wrote: > > DaveG wrote: > > > The forth passive element ---- very cool indeed. > > > > Here's hoping they'll name the fifth element, when discovered: LEELOO. > > Leeloo's full name is/will be: > "Leeloo Minai Lekarariba-Laminai-Tchai Ekbat De Sebat" Too bad Plavala Guna got bumped off. Wouldn't you love to hear that at Ravinia? D.J.D. "Gimme the cash!" "Sir, please put your hands in the yellow circles." "Smoke You!" "Wrong answer." "The stones are in me." "Is Leeloo in trouble?" "When is Leeloo not in trouble, Father?" "We're never gonna make it. *Sigh*" "Theoretically, ..." "...no." "Aziz! Light!" "You're a monster, Zorg." "I know." F.Y.I.: "Zorg" = the "Prisoner of Azkaban" (Sirius Black - same actor) "Just like driving a cab." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 14:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: <8e6e661b-5975-4b5d-be9b-5edcf45ee4b6@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On May 2, 2:36=A0am, JF Mezei wrote: > David J Dachtera wrote: > > The code I have up is entirely compliant with the older standard. > > Your initial DTD lines at the top are designed to define what standard > of HTML you are using. If your code is compliant with standard X, then > make sure the DTD reflects you are using standard X. This is 100% correct but let me add three points. IE6 incorrectly ignores the DTD while the validator does not. IE7 pays attention to the DTD but is still not 100% compliant. IE8 (which is already available as a beta download from MS) is meant to be the most standards-compliant browser ever produced although I don't know how MS expects to catch up to other compliant browsers like Firefox. Many people think "it works with my browser so why care about all this?" but these people should put themselves in the shoes of big web retailers like eBay or Amazon who want to support all customers. p.s. I attended a really neat JavaScript course last month where the instructor went over the history of DOM (document object model) and BOM (browser object model) then told the class about all the non- compliant stuff added by both Netscape and Microsoft during the browser wars. MS shut out NS eleven years ago but we progammers are still dealing with the fallout. Thank god for the www.w3.org Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 20:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: On May 2, 6:05=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: > Neil Rieck wrote: > [...snip...] > > I still remember the Air Canada web site using Microsoft-only code for a > submit button. So even tough you AC wouldn't shut you out, you couldn't > get very far on their main page becaus ethe most important button to > move on to other pages couldn't be made to work on non MS browsers. > (they've since reduced that MS dependancy). But a simple 2 paragraph > press release on the AC web site generated over 700 validation errors on > the w3.org validator. (because that page was bloated with megabytes of > javascript) > For a good example of bloat, create a document using MS-Word then save it as HTML. Neil Rieck Kitchener/Waterloo/Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. http://www3.sympatico.ca/n.rieck/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 21:10:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Rieck Subject: Re: OT: Need HTML Help Message-ID: On May 2, 6:05=A0pm, JF Mezei wrote: [...snip...] > > Or look at Mr Rieck's employer who had their web designers add specific > code to prevent users of non Microsoft browsers from accessing this > monopoly telco's web sites. (that monopoly telco has some sort of > marketing arrangement with microsoft). > > It is one thing to write non compliant code, but another thing > alltogether to actively refuse access to those who don't have the > browser you want. And of course, that monopoly telco could them produce > statistcis that over 95% of users were using Microsoft browsers so there > was no point in supporting other browsers. (of course, those statistics > would show that since you prevent other browsers from accessing your web > site). > You have no idea how bad it is. Last month I received an email from corporate security commanding me to uninstall Firefox from my PC (they watch everyone with Tivoli). I told them to get lost because I needed the Firefox web-developer plugins to make sure my pages were compliant. I'm not sure if they are planing to leave me alone or get a bigger stick. (I'm not sure what they think when they see me using the HTML validator all the time at www.w3.org) A few weeks back I noticed one of out internal web sites was now supporting .NET plugins which means the proprietary invasion has begun in ernest. Last week I went to our HR web site with IE7 and was redirected to a failure page informing me to try again with IE6. NSR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 21:34:10 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: RMS record much longer that format attribute proclaims. Message-ID: <481BCF22.94D397E2@spam.comcast.net> norm.raphael@metso.com wrote: > > This shows and output file with > > Record format: Stream_LF, maximum 255 bytes, longest 255 bytes > > but the DUMP/RECORD below shows > > Record number 120 (00000078), 7626 (1DCA) bytes, RFA(0008,0000,01FB) > > a record much longer than that. > > Comments? As I understand it (probably inaccurate/incomplete), these values are really just advisory in nature. They provode some clue as to what is reasonably expectable, even if that expectation does not reflect the reality of the data. I read once that some programs use the LRL value at file ((SYS)$)OPEN time to initially allocate buffer space. D.J.D. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 17:05:03 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: TCPIP$BIND modification Message-ID: When modifying the various db files is it necessary to manually bump the serial value? -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 21:30:01 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Message-ID: <481bc0d1$0$20602$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Tom Linden wrote: > When modifying the various db files is it necessary to manually bump the > serial value? It is well advised to do so, but not necessary. Then, you need to TCPIP> SET NAME/INIT to get the bind server to reload the databases. Make sure you check the log file for any error message when it reloads it. However, if you have dynamic updates enabled (with DHCP server for instance), there are some issues with dynamic updates not being written and you need to use that dns server management utility (forget the name) to freeze the database , update it with your edit and unfreeze it) or something to that order. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 19:13:37 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Message-ID: On Fri, 02 May 2008 18:30:01 -0700, JF Mezei wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: >> When modifying the various db files is it necessary to manually bump the >> serial value? > > It is well advised to do so, but not necessary. Then, you need to TCPIP> > SET NAME/INIT to get the bind server to reload the databases. Make sure > you check the log file for any error message when it reloads it. > > However, if you have dynamic updates enabled (with DHCP server for > instance), there are some issues with dynamic updates not being written > and you need to use that dns server management utility (forget the name) > to freeze the database , update it with your edit and unfreeze it) or > something to that order. Not using DHCP. I did not know about the SET NAME/INIT so I just did a TCPIP shutdown and start. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:45:27 -0600 From: Jeff Campbell Subject: Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Message-ID: <1209789439_1360@isp.n> Tom Linden wrote: > On Fri, 02 May 2008 18:30:01 -0700, JF Mezei > wrote: > >> Tom Linden wrote: >>> When modifying the various db files is it necessary to manually bump the >>> serial value? >> >> It is well advised to do so, but not necessary. Then, you need to TCPIP> >> SET NAME/INIT to get the bind server to reload the databases. Make sure >> you check the log file for any error message when it reloads it. >> >> However, if you have dynamic updates enabled (with DHCP server for >> instance), there are some issues with dynamic updates not being written >> and you need to use that dns server management utility (forget the name) >> to freeze the database , update it with your edit and unfreeze it) or >> something to that order. > > > Not using DHCP. I did not know about the SET NAME/INIT so I just did a > TCPIP > shutdown and start. > > > $ @ SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$BINDSETUP.COM has an option to restart the BIND server. Testing your changes will also restart the server. Or you could use $ @ SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$BIND_SHUTDOWN.COM $ @ SYS$STARTUP:TCPIP$BIND_STARTUP.COM Jeff ----== Posted via Pronews.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.pronews.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups ---= - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 22:42:30 GMT From: John Santos Subject: Re: VAX 6310 Free to a good home Message-ID: BaxterD@tessco.com wrote: > On May 2, 8:39 am, "Richard B. Gilbert" > wrote: > >>Michael Austin wrote: >> >>>kiwi wrote: >>> >>>>San Jose. Pick it up and its yours. VMS 5.5-2. Working order. >> >>>Boy, talking about a heater... and just try and move it into your >>>basement... :) >> >>Just try picking it up without a forklift! > > > Would make a nice closet/Changing Rm for a small apartment > > Dave Or a nice mini-bar... -- John Santos Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc. 781-861-0670 ext 539 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 21:42:11 -0500 From: David J Dachtera Subject: Re: XP1000 workstations going low pricing ! Message-ID: <481BD103.E6B12142@spam.comcast.net> "David Turner, Island Computers" wrote: > > We have a large qty of these > > XP1000 6/500Mhz EV6 4Mb Cache > 1GB Memory (4 x 256MB DIMM) > 5 PCI Slots > CDROM and FLoppy > On Board Sound > On Board 10/100 Ethernet > On Board UWSCSI Controller > > Only $1199 each > > Refurbished/repainted and shiny ! > > Email me today if interested... > > -- > David B Turner Found a couple on eBay in the $800 range. Not as filled out with extras. So, Islandco's price is probably reasonable. If I could justify it, I'd think about it. The fastest Alpha I have is the AS200/EV4 at 233MHz. D.J.D. ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.246 ************************