INFO-VAX Sun, 04 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 249 Contents: Re: Don't complain about your billing rates just yet Re: MX duplicate name Re: MX duplicate name Re: MX duplicate name Re: MX duplicate name OT: Digital responsible for first SPAM message ! Re: OT: Digital responsible for first SPAM message ! Re: RMS record much longer that format attribute proclaims. Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Re: TCPIP$CONFIG Re: TCPIP$CONFIG Re: TCPIP$CONFIG Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:25:15 -0700 (PDT) From: johnwallace4@gmail.com Subject: Re: Don't complain about your billing rates just yet Message-ID: On May 4, 3:27 am, moro...@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) wrote: > billg...@cs.uofs.edu (Bill Gunshannon) writes: > >In article <9208ecbb-68ed-4934-8a33-c321ef38d...@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, > > yyyc186 writes: > >> Too bad it is for on-site work here in the U.S. With the national > >> average for a new college grad being over $50K, they've just publicly > >> advertized they are engaging in a criminal activity. I should have > >> forwarded the link to the Justice Department. > >What makes offering a low salary a criminal event? Hiring is a > >contract matter. If someone wants to work for less than they are > >worth, I see nothing criminal in it. Stupid, maybe, but not criminal. > > It might be part of a scam to get foreign workers to the US to work at > low pay. They can't just go to the INS/ICE and ask for a bunch of visas > for people from, for example, India. They have to "prove" that there are > not enough people in the US with those skills so they have to bring in > foreign workers. So they advertize the positions for low pay, nobody > here is willing to take them, and they go to the INS saying "See? We > tried to fill these positions but we can't. Could you please let us > bring in some people from India with those skills? > > Maybe. In possibly related news, that fine upstanding IT journal The Register reports that a US bodyshop has been given a $45K penalty "over claims it discriminated against legal US residents by advertising only for developers on H-1B visas." The comments are at least as interesting as the article itself. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/h1_b_discrimination_doj_fine/ $45K is small fry compared to the business impact of a project which fails due to hiring cheap cowboys. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:16:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: MX duplicate name Message-ID: <7454c891-b639-4be3-951e-15615e69ecd9@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On May 3, 9:41=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > I have been struggling with a seemingly trivial problem, changing my IP > die to a flake ISP. =A0TCPIP leaves a lot to be desired, but leave that fo= r > the moment, =A0Can't start the MX smtp server > > ODIN> more MX_ROOT:[SMTP]SMTP_SERVER_ODIN.LOG > =A0 3-MAY-2008 07:26:12.08: =A0MX SMTP Server (pid 21420E8F) starting > %SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name > %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > > Where would I look for the duplication? Process name? $ help /mess dupname Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 05:39:32 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: MX duplicate name Message-ID: On Sat, 03 May 2008 23:16:59 -0700, Hein RMS van den Heuvel wrote: > On May 3, 9:41 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: >> I have been struggling with a seemingly trivial problem, changing my IP >> die to a flake ISP.  TCPIP leaves a lot to be desired, but leave that >> for >> the moment,  Can't start the MX smtp server >> >> ODIN> more MX_ROOT:[SMTP]SMTP_SERVER_ODIN.LOG >>   3-MAY-2008 07:26:12.08:  MX SMTP Server (pid 21420E8F) starting >> %SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name >> %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows >> >> Where would I look for the duplication? > > Process name? > $ help /mess dupname > > Hein. FREJA> help /mess duplname %MSGHLP-F-NOTFOUND, message not found in Help Message database Nothing in MX either. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 09:54:43 -0400 From: bradhamilton Subject: Re: MX duplicate name Message-ID: <481DC023.2080803@comcast.net> Tom Linden wrote: > On Sat, 03 May 2008 23:16:59 -0700, Hein RMS van den Heuvel > wrote: > >> On May 3, 9:41 pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: >>> I have been struggling with a seemingly trivial problem, changing my IP >>> die to a flake ISP. TCPIP leaves a lot to be desired, but leave that >>> for >>> the moment, Can't start the MX smtp server >>> >>> ODIN> more MX_ROOT:[SMTP]SMTP_SERVER_ODIN.LOG >>> 3-MAY-2008 07:26:12.08: MX SMTP Server (pid 21420E8F) starting >>> %SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name >>> %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows >>> >>> Where would I look for the duplication? >> >> Process name? >> $ help /mess dupname >> >> Hein. > > FREJA> help /mess duplname > %MSGHLP-F-NOTFOUND, message not found in Help Message database Actually found on VMS V8.3 with help/mess dup (is this a bug?): DUPLNAM, duplicate name Facility: SYSTEM, System Services Explanation: This message can occur under either of the following circumstances: o A process name specified in a request to create a process duplicates the name of an existing process executing with the same group number. Process names must be unique within a group. o A global section name specified in a request to create a global section duplicates the name of an existing global section within the system. Global section names must be unique within a group for group global sections or unique within the system for system global sections. User Action: Specify an alternative process name or global section name. Check whether the existing process or global section with that name should be deleted. If so, use the DCL command STOP to delete the process or use the system service $DGBLSC to delete the global section. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:06:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: MX duplicate name Message-ID: On May 4, 8:39=A0am, "Tom Linden" wrote: > On Sat, 03 May 2008 23:16:59 -0700, Hein RMS van den Heuvel =A0 > > > > > > wrote: > > On May 3, 9:41=A0pm, "Tom Linden" wrote: > >> I have been struggling with a seemingly trivial problem, changing my IP= > >> die to a flake ISP. =A0TCPIP leaves a lot to be desired, but leave that= =A0 > >> for > >> the moment, =A0Can't start the MX smtp server > > >> ODIN> more MX_ROOT:[SMTP]SMTP_SERVER_ODIN.LOG > >> =A0 3-MAY-2008 07:26:12.08: =A0MX SMTP Server (pid 21420E8F) starting > >> %SYSTEM-F-DUPLNAM, duplicate name > >> %TRACE-F-TRACEBACK, symbolic stack dump follows > > >> Where would I look for the duplication? > Hein> > Process name? Hein> > $ help /mess dupname =2E.. oops managed to highlight and paste a command line with typo. missing "L". Tom> FREJA> help /mess duplname > %MSGHLP-F-NOTFOUND, message not found in Help Message database Typo... extraneous "E" fwiw. Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 06:02:03 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: OT: Digital responsible for first SPAM message ! Message-ID: <481d8a48$0$31237$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> It ahs been 30 years on May 1st that the first spam was allegedly sent. http://www.templetons.com/brad/spamreact.html It came from Digital Equipment Corportation ! Another "first" that DEC can claim :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 08:03:10 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: OT: Digital responsible for first SPAM message ! Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > It ahs been 30 years on May 1st that the first spam was allegedly sent. > > http://www.templetons.com/brad/spamreact.html > > It came from Digital Equipment Corportation ! > > > Another "first" that DEC can claim :-) A "technical" violation perhaps. But I've always thought of the Canter & Siegel "Green Card" mailing as the first spam. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:15:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: RMS record much longer that format attribute proclaims. Message-ID: On May 3, 10:42=A0pm, norm.raph...@metso.com wrote: DJD> > I read once that some programs use the LRL value at file ((SYS) $)OPEN DJD> > time to initially allocate buffer space. > > In this case, EVE refused to open the file until the attribute was > adjusted. I think the TPU default USZ (RMS User Buffer siZe) currently is min(2048,LRL) Could be 2000 > I'm still unable to generate 255, 255 from a simple edit, modify, save....= Of course not. You are not listening! (Only minor disrespect intented :-) :-) Normal RMS (such as used by simple edit) does not do this. It takes a DECCRTL or similar 'smart' tool, to mess this up. You have an account on eisner (or an other system with perl) right? Try this: $ delete x.x.* $ x :=3D x.x $ perl -le "print qq($_ ) x $_ ** 3 for (1..10)" > 'x $ write sys$output f$file(x,"MRS"), " ", f$file(x,"LRL") $ def decc$default_lrl 255 $ perl -le "print qq($_ ) x $_ ** 3 for (1..10)" > 'x $ write sys$output f$file(x,"MRS"), " ", f$file(x,"LRL") $ set file/attribute=3Dmrs=3D255 'x $ perl -le "print qq($_ ) x $_ ** 3 for (1..10)" > 'x $ write sys$output f$file(x,"MRS"), " ", f$file(x,"LRL") So let me ask again... Who / What wrote the file? Cheers, Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:40:00 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: TCPIP$BIND modification Message-ID: <481d846f$0$6305$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Tom Linden" schreef in bericht news:op.uajw6pvzhv4qyg@murphus... > When modifying the various db files is it necessary to manually bump the > serial value? > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMS > www.kednos.com I tend to forget to do that occasionally, with the result that BIND doesn't work properly. Hans ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 03:58:23 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: TCPIP$CONFIG Message-ID: <0268bc26$0$24991$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Tom Linden wrote: > When running the test,what does this mean? > %%% TCPIP IVP: started %%% > %%% TCPIP IVP: error - Create and Bind Sender Device-Socket %%% > %SYSTEM-F-IVADDR, invalid media address When you use TCPIP$CONFIG to look at the core environment (option 1), does it show domain, interfaces etc in a way that looks reasonable ? If this all fails, suggest you look at: $DIR SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP*.DAT* the CONFIGURATION.DAT one contains your interface definitions. (stuff done with SET CONF). It also contains which services are to be started by default. You could delete this file and re-run the TCPIP$CONFIG and repopulate the core environment. Are you able to PING ? Traceroute ? (@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS to define those commands). Does TCPIP> SHOW DEV provide any BG devices, or some error message ? Does TCPIP> SHOW NAME provide any meaningful output ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 11:38:25 +0200 From: "H Vlems" Subject: Re: TCPIP$CONFIG Message-ID: <481d8410$0$4424$bf4948fe@news.tele2.nl> "Tom Linden" schreef in bericht news:op.ualvm7zghv4qyg@murphus.hsd1.ca.comcast.net... > HP TCP/IP Services for OpenVMS Alpha Version V5.5 - ECO 2 > on a COMPAQ Professional Workstation XP1000 running OpenVMS V8.2 > > When running the test,what does this mean? > > %%% TCPIP IVP: started %%% > > > %%% TCPIP IVP: error - Create and Bind Sender Device-Socket %%% > %SYSTEM-F-IVADDR, invalid media address > > > -- > PL/I for OpenVMS > www.kednos.com An invalid MAC address perhaps? Seems unlikely though. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 06:00:29 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: TCPIP$CONFIG Message-ID: On Sun, 04 May 2008 00:58:23 -0700, JF Mezei wrote: > Tom Linden wrote: > >> When running the test,what does this mean? >> %%% TCPIP IVP: started %%% > >> %%% TCPIP IVP: error - Create and Bind Sender Device-Socket %%% >> %SYSTEM-F-IVADDR, invalid media address > > > When you use TCPIP$CONFIG to look at the core environment (option 1), > does it show domain, interfaces etc in a way that looks reasonable ? > > If this all fails, suggest you look at: > > $DIR SYS$SYSTEM:TCPIP*.DAT* > > the CONFIGURATION.DAT one contains your interface definitions. (stuff > done with SET CONF). It also contains which services are to be started > by default. The file itself is not really readable > > You could delete this file and re-run the TCPIP$CONFIG and repopulate > the core environment. I may try that. I have noted that changing the HOST file is not as easy as it used to be. Removing entries is not straight-forward. I may remove that too. > > Are you able to PING ? Traceroute ? (@SYS$MANAGER:TCPIP$DEFINE_COMMANDS > to define those commands). > > Does TCPIP> SHOW DEV provide any BG devices, or some error message ? Lots of BG devices > > Does TCPIP> SHOW NAME provide any meaningful output ? Yes, but it also has the old IPs for the servers, rerunning BIND doesn't remove them. I am really not fond of these interfaces, very cumbersome. -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 09:49:48 -0400 From: AddingCogebog Subject: Re: VMS Mail translates incoming tilde character into a dollar sign. 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