INFO-VAX Sat, 24 May 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 289 Contents: RE: Another Flex/VMS example - Browsing the ACCOUNTNG.DAT file Re: Another Flex/VMS example - Browsing the ACCOUNTNG.DAT file Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Re: MAIL , unread messages and IMAP Re: MAIL , unread messages and IMAP Re: Odd backup corruption Re: OT: Emacs bindings was Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Re: OT: Emacs bindings, was: Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Re: OT: Emacs bindings, was: Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:24:09 -0400 From: "Peter Weaver" Subject: RE: Another Flex/VMS example - Browsing the ACCOUNTNG.DAT file Message-ID: <043501c8bda9$d61a2720$2802a8c0@CHARONLAP> >... > As far as using the program goes, it should be fairly easy. If you click > on > a row then the details of that row are shown below. You can also click on > the tops of each column to sort the records based on that column (OK, > there > are still problems here since it treats every number as text, if anyone > figures that bug out then let me know) and you can add or remove columns > by > clicking on the boxes in the detail area. >... I added in some code so the numeric columns should be sorted correctly. The date still will not sort correctly if you click on it, but the rows are sorted by date when the data loads. > If you want to try it on my system then point your browser at > http://www.weaverconsulting.ca/accountng.swf. If you want to try it on > your > own system or try to make it better then send me an email asking for the > source code. >... It is nice to see that there is some interest in this, I had a few requests for the source so far and about 50 unique IP addresses have looked at the program running. I meant to mention in the original posting that one of the reasons I worked on this was to once again demonstrate that VMS does not just mean VT terminals. Recently I was talking to a potential customer about managing their system. When the request started going up the management chain someone above said that the plan was to shutdown the VMS system because VMS is text based and can not be used by a browser :(. Peter Weaver www.weaverconsulting.ca www.openvmsvirtualization.com www.vaxvirtualization.com www.alphavirtualization.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 07:55:55 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: Another Flex/VMS example - Browsing the ACCOUNTNG.DAT file Message-ID: On Sat, 24 May 2008 07:24:09 -0700, Peter Weaver wrote: > > >> ... >> As far as using the program goes, it should be fairly easy. If you click >> on >> a row then the details of that row are shown below. You can also click >> on >> the tops of each column to sort the records based on that column (OK, >> there >> are still problems here since it treats every number as text, if anyone >> figures that bug out then let me know) and you can add or remove columns >> by >> clicking on the boxes in the detail area. >> ... > > I added in some code so the numeric columns should be sorted correctly. > The > date still will not sort correctly if you click on it, but the rows are > sorted by date when the data loads. > >> If you want to try it on my system then point your browser at >> http://www.weaverconsulting.ca/accountng.swf. If you want to try it on >> your >> own system or try to make it better then send me an email asking for the >> source code. >> ... > > It is nice to see that there is some interest in this, I had a few > requests > for the source so far and about 50 unique IP addresses have looked at the > program running. > > I meant to mention in the original posting that one of the reasons I > worked > on this was to once again demonstrate that VMS does not just mean VT > terminals. Recently I was talking to a potential customer about managing > their system. When the request started going up the management chain > someone > above said that the plan was to shutdown the VMS system because VMS is > text > based and can not be used by a browser :(. Very nice. Using WASD we also created the equivalent of the Windows explore command, allowing full authenicated access to the cluster file system. > > Peter Weaver > www.weaverconsulting.ca www.openvmsvirtualization.com > www.vaxvirtualization.com www.alphavirtualization.com > > -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 09:27:34 -0600 From: "Michael D. Ober" Subject: Re: Is VMS losing the Financial Sector, also? Message-ID: <2uydnf3C2Pl1rqXVnZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@earthlink.com> "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:RwadSWyBEpSA@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article , Ron Johnson > writes: >> >> And how things used to on Unix. Remember, it *is* a timesharing OS, >> just like VMS. > > Wrong. VMS is a general purpose OS. It has designed-in timesharing > and realtime capabilities. > VMS is not a real-time OS. It can be configured to act like one, but there are no guarantees that VMS will respond to events in a timely fashion, which is a requirement for RTOS's. Mike. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 09:55:57 -0500 From: Michael Austin Subject: Re: MAIL , unread messages and IMAP Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > I've been, as it as been suggested, using an IMAP client on a non VMS > owrkstation to access my VMSmail store/account. > > While thunderbird has the correct number of unread messages, VMSmail > thinks I have a gazillion emails. > > And this means that if I try to access my mailbox via my handset (pop or > imap), the system tries to feed me a gazillion emails. > > Has anyone else encountered this issue ? How can it be solved ?\ > > When I have done in the past is manually login to VMS and do a move of > my inbox to a "READ2" folder which then causes those messages to not > download on the POP interface. I'd like a more elegant way. Is there one ? What version VMS and which version/TCPIP stack? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 11:02:13 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Re: MAIL , unread messages and IMAP Message-ID: <48382ee0$0$7248$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Michael Austin wrote: > What version VMS and which version/TCPIP stack? 8.3 alpha. 5.6 tcpip services. Not sure if this is an IMAP server issue or if it is the client. When a client gets a new email from the server, is the server supposed to automatically refile it in the "READ" folder (aka from "NEWMAIL" to "MAIL" for vmsmail). ? Or is it the client's job to request the document to be refiled ? ------------------------------ Date: 24 May 2008 06:55:47 GMT From: "David Weatherall" Subject: Re: Odd backup corruption Message-ID: <69psfjF31inoaU1@mid.individual.net> JF Mezei wrote: > Has anyone ever experienced even backup coruption ? Not in the sense of corruption _caused_ by BACKUP but my paranoia about using BACKUP /VERIFY, when many people would just use COPY, did identify a problem with our disk system. It was, otherwise quietly, corrupting bits in ascii source files.... Cheers - Dave. -- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 06:05:59 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: OT: Emacs bindings was Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Message-ID: On Fri, 23 May 2008 12:03:33 -0700, Rich Alderson wrote: > "Tom Linden" writes: > >> On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:09:26 -0700, Simon Clubley >> wrote: > >>> For example, I have emacs configured to exit on Ctrl-Z (like EDT/EVE) >>> instead of returning to the shell. > >> Most people use ctrl-z and Meta-z to scroll up or down. > > Only if they've changed their keybindings. The default bindings in > EMACS (from > the original TECO implementation up through GNU Emacs 22, anyway) are > C-v and > M-v. > Those are page down and up, resp. I have always used C-z and M-z to scroll down or up a line, and by holding the key you get a soft-scroll effectively. But you are right on most versions these result in suspend or zap-to-char -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 May 2008 04:07:23 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: OT: Emacs bindings, was: Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Message-ID: In article , "Tom Linden" writes: > On Fri, 23 May 2008 10:53:56 -0700, Simon Clubley > wrote: > >> Seriously however, I've never come across the use of Ctrl/Meta-Z to >> scroll >> up or down. Which bindings are you using ? (Whenever I use emacs out of >> the box, without any customisation, Ctrl-Z _does_ actually return to the >> shell.) > > I guess it goes back to the Prime, which came from Mit and also the > Gosling version. > Interesting, thanks. BTW, what makes you think that Ctrl/Meta-Z is widely used for that purpose by most current emacs users ? Just curious. :-) Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 05:45:44 -0700 From: "Tom Linden" Subject: Re: OT: Emacs bindings, was: Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Message-ID: On Sat, 24 May 2008 02:07:23 -0700, Simon Clubley wrote: > BTW, what makes you think that Ctrl/Meta-Z is widely used for that > purpose > by most current emacs users ? Actually, nothing. I don't have much interation these days with emacs users, but when I did, going back to the 70's that is how I had seen it used, and as I mentioned it was part of the Gosmacs bindings which had fairly wide-spread use on Unix. I used it I know on Solaris 1 and 2, as well as BSD 4.x -- PL/I for OpenVMS www.kednos.com ------------------------------ Date: 24 May 2008 07:00:36 GMT From: "David Weatherall" Subject: Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Message-ID: <69psojF34ifcpU1@mid.individual.net> Tom Linden wrote: > On Fri, 23 May 2008 05:09:26 -0700, Simon Clubley > wrote: > > > For example, I have emacs configured to exit on Ctrl-Z (like > > EDT/EVE) instead of returning to the shell. > > Most people use ctrl-z and Meta-z to scroll up or down. OK I'll show my ignorance. Where's the meta key on my LK2/400 or PC keyboard? :) Cheers - Dave PS. Near the 'any' key perchance ? :) -- ------------------------------ Date: 24 May 2008 04:03:34 -0500 From: clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP (Simon Clubley) Subject: Re: OT: Unix equivalent of SET PROC/SUSPEND? Message-ID: In article <69psojF34ifcpU1@mid.individual.net>, "David Weatherall" writes: > Tom Linden wrote: >> >> Most people use ctrl-z and Meta-z to scroll up or down. > > OK I'll show my ignorance. Where's the meta key on my LK2/400 or PC > keyboard? :) > On current keyboards, the Escape key is normally used as the Meta key by emacs. Simon. -- Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP Microsoft: Bringing you 1980's technology to a 21st century world ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.289 ************************