INFO-VAX Tue, 01 Jul 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 365 Contents: Re: Backup to SnapServer RE: Book "OpenVMS for Unix Users" Re: DEGPA in DS20 shows "offline" Re: Expanding a RAID5 array Re: Expanding a RAID5 array RE: Failsafe-IP Re: LMF and abandonned products Re: LMF and abandonned products Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Re: Symbol Substitution Mystery Re: Tru64 file system source code now open source Re: Why did this RENAME lose my files? Re: Why did this RENAME lose my files? Re: Why did this RENAME lose my files? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Jul 2008 08:09:23 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Backup to SnapServer Message-ID: In article <4866294d$0$7356$607ed4bc@cv.net>, "Carmine Castiglia" writes: > Can anyone offer some tips on how to (if even possible) backup and restore > drives from an Alphaerver running OpenVMS v7.1-1H2 across an ethernet > connection to a SnapServer 4100 (already on the same network)? While we don't have any VMS boxes connected to them, we've had enough trouble with our SnapServers that we've elected to move away from them. YMMV ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:08:35 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Book "OpenVMS for Unix Users" Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Ralf Folkerts [mailto:ralffmail-news2@yahoo.de] > Sent: June 25, 2008 12:43 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Book "OpenVMS for Unix Users" > > IanMiller schrieb: > > [...] > > In the VMS documentation (http://www.hp.com/go/openvms/doc) the HP > > OpenVMS Programming Concepts Manual is well worth a read > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/82FINAL/5841/5841PRO.HTML > > Hi Ian, > > thanks for the Hint! I just downloaded them as PDF so I can read > Offline > (...however, I think it might be better to read the OpenVMS User's > Guide > first, then maybe the System Managers Manuals and the continue into > Programming... Seems I'll not have a shortage of to-be-read Literature > in the near future ;-) > > Cheers, > _ralf_ Ralf, Even though a bit dated, the following may be of interest: http://tinyurl.com/58x4tk or actual url- http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/73final/documentation/pdf/OVMS_PROG_ENVIRON.p= df And for future reference, OpenVMS archived doc's: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/doc/archived.html Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Len Whitwer Subject: Re: DEGPA in DS20 shows "offline" Message-ID: <9694f1cd-4870-4b97-b4a5-b6625442eba5@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com> On Jun 30, 7:55=A0pm, Malcolm Dunnett wrote: > Len Whitwer wrote: > > > It's remotely possiable that your card has gone bad. > > =A0 =A0Yes, it turned out to be a bad card (Perhaps it got damaged in the > move from the DS10L to the DS20E). I swapped in another card and > it's fine now. GREAT!!!!!! Glad to hear you got your problem resolved. Len -Len Whitwer Puget Sound Data Systems, Inc. 19501 144th Ave. NE Suite D-100 Woodinville, WA 98072 e-mail mailto:len@psds.com Internet: http://www.psds.com Toll Free: (866)857-0710 Tel: (425) 488-0710 Fax: (425) 488-6414 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 01:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: etmsreec@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: Expanding a RAID5 array Message-ID: <12e8f2e6-112d-46d7-bf00-3b61c508d73a@i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On 1 Jul, 05:45, Kari Uusim=E4ki wrote: > Carmine Castiglia wrote: > > I am running an AlphaServer 1200 with a RAID Array 230/Plus subsystem > > installed. =A0This question concerns a RAID 5 array consisting of three > > DS-RZ1CB-VW (4.3GB) drives. > > > I would like to swap this out with DS-RZ1DB-VW (9.1GB) drives and would = like > > to do so in the easiest, safest, and quickest way possible. =A0I know th= at if > > I replace a single 4.3GB drive with a 9.1GB drive and allow the array to= > > rebuild, the total storage space available will not change. =A0This rule= > > applies if I replace a second drive as well because available storage sp= ace > > is always calculated based on the smallest drive in the array. =A0Correc= t? > > > So, what happens if I continue the process and replace the third drive. > > After rebuild has completed, will the RAID controller automatically make= the > > full (18.2GB RAID 5) capacity available? =A0WIll this process be complet= ed > > without data loss? > > Here you can find the specifications for the KZPAC (RAID Array > 230/Plus).http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB00E7PF.PDF > > There you'll find the supported disks and the possible configurations. > > I tend to recommend building a Raid 0+1 set (with as many disks as > possible) and when it is ready, to copying the data from old LUNs to > newly built LUNs using BACKUP/IMAGE. That way you'll get most disk space > with best performance and the downtime will take only as long as the > Raid 0+1 build and the BACKUP will take. The 9GB Ultra disks are the > fastest, but using more 4.3GB disks will give you a somewhat faster set, > because there are more spindles. > > Using BACKUP for copying the data will also defragment your data as an > additional benefit. > > Regards, > > Kari- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - FWIW, we have a number of clients on SWXCRs inside DS10s using three 18GB disks and they work about as well as any SWXCR config would. Personally, I dislike the SWXCR. It was great in its day but its day is now all but over. If it were a new config and I could afford it, I'd either host based shadow or use a SmartArray. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 03:52:03 -0700 (PDT) From: IanMiller Subject: Re: Expanding a RAID5 array Message-ID: <834d3897-1e55-4a5b-8f95-d9d51f3eafb0@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On 1 Jul, 09:42, etmsr...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > On 1 Jul, 05:45, Kari Uusim=E4ki > wrote: > > > > > Carmine Castiglia wrote: > > > I am running an AlphaServer 1200 with a RAID Array 230/Plus subsystem > > > installed. =A0This question concerns a RAID 5 array consisting of thre= e > > > DS-RZ1CB-VW (4.3GB) drives. > > > > I would like to swap this out with DS-RZ1DB-VW (9.1GB) drives and woul= d like > > > to do so in the easiest, safest, and quickest way possible. =A0I know = that if > > > I replace a single 4.3GB drive with a 9.1GB drive and allow the array = to > > > rebuild, the total storage space available will not change. =A0This ru= le > > > applies if I replace a second drive as well because available storage = space > > > is always calculated based on the smallest drive in the array. =A0Corr= ect? > > > > So, what happens if I continue the process and replace the third drive= . > > > After rebuild has completed, will the RAID controller automatically ma= ke the > > > full (18.2GB RAID 5) capacity available? =A0WIll this process be compl= eted > > > without data loss? > > > Here you can find the specifications for the KZPAC (RAID Array > > 230/Plus).http://h18002.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/SOC/QB00E7PF.PDF= > > > There you'll find the supported disks and the possible configurations. > > > I tend to recommend building a Raid 0+1 set (with as many disks as > > possible) and when it is ready, to copying the data from old LUNs to > > newly built LUNs using BACKUP/IMAGE. That way you'll get most disk space= > > with best performance and the downtime will take only as long as the > > Raid 0+1 build and the BACKUP will take. The 9GB Ultra disks are the > > fastest, but using more 4.3GB disks will give you a somewhat faster set,= > > because there are more spindles. > > > Using BACKUP for copying the data will also defragment your data as an > > additional benefit. > > > Regards, > > > Kari- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > FWIW, we have a number of clients on SWXCRs inside DS10s using three > 18GB disks and they work about as well as any SWXCR config would. > Personally, I dislike the SWXCR. =A0It was great in its day but its day > is now all but over. =A0If it were a new config and I could afford it, > I'd either host based shadow or use a SmartArray. > > Steve RZ40-VA do work with SWXCR as do other narrow SCSI drives. 18G work if presented with the right I/O module. Firmware 2.70 is the latest. The SWXCR is a idiosyncratic and dated bit of hardware but can be used successfully if that is what you have and no budget to replace it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:43:25 +0000 From: "Main, Kerry" Subject: RE: Failsafe-IP Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: IanMiller [mailto:gxys@uk2.net] > Sent: May 30, 2008 5:26 PM > To: Info-VAX@Mvb.Saic.Com > Subject: Re: Failsafe-IP > > On 30 May, 19:36, JF Mezei wrote: > > Gremlin wrote: > > > IP address. The desired result is that any request to the "cluster > IP", > > > 192.168.0.10 would be served by any card in any host. > > > > Not possible. > > > > On ethernet, TCPIP uses ARP to find the ethernet address associated > with > > a specific IP. > > > > When a device first communicates with say 10.0.0.17, it sends a > > broadcast "will 10.0.17 please stand up and identify itself". > 10.0.0.17 > > then stands up, waves hands and sends a packet back to the requestor > > identifying itself. This gives the sender the ethernet address of > > 10.0.0.17 which it keeps in a cache. (TCPIP> SHOW ARP ) > > > > From then on, when the sender wants to communicate to 10.0.17 it > finds > > its ethernet address locally in its own cache. After some inacivity > > timeout, the cache is invalidated and the next time the sender want > to > > talk to 10.0.0.17, it needs to do the ARP thing again to re-establish > > the association between the IP and ethernet addresses. > > > > So an IP address can only be associated with one ethernet address at > one > > time. > > > > The way the failover works is that when node B realises that node A > has > > failed, node B will send what is called a gratuitous ARP response to > > everyone. everyone is then expected (but not required, not all > devices > > support this) to update their ARP tables to have the new ethernet > > address (node B) associated with 10.0.0.17 > > > > Doing load balancing at the router level would also have interesting > > implications. Consider the case where node A sends a packet to the > > outside world, but when the outside world sends the ACK back, the > router > > sends the ack to node B. > > > > This is one reason you had the failt tolerant vax, and nowadays that > RTR > > software (is that atill alive, or was it declared mature ?) > > > > Put one very relaible machine up front which will distribute > > transactions to a series of nodes. This makes it possible to have a > > single external IP and do load balancing on many boxes. > > > > D > > > RTR is alive and well and living on Itanium systems. 5.1 came out last > year. Those interested in Failsafe-IP and other HA TCPIP HA configs like load Broker, and LAN failover should also read the following whitepaper: http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/journal/v2/articles/tcpip.pdf Regards Kerry Main Senior Consultant HP Services Canada Voice: 613-254-8911 Fax: 613-591-4477 kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom (remove the DOT's and AT) OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 2008 08:14:43 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: In article <$5vz7s2RASPy@eisner.encompasserve.org>, BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND (George Cornelius) writes: > > I understand that it is clearly stated in the Constitution that the > purpose of copyrights and patents is to encourage the sharing of > knowledge - and other intellectual property (fiction, art, whatever) - > in order to advance the common good. Care to tell us where? I can find nothing about patents or copyrights in the Constitution. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:34:37 +0100 From: "Richard Brodie" Subject: Re: LMF and abandonned products Message-ID: "Bob Koehler" wrote in message news:vVXHoMG0Aey0@eisner.encompasserve.org... > In article <$5vz7s2RASPy@eisner.encompasserve.org>, BEGINcornelius@decuserve.orgEND > (George Cornelius) writes: >> >> I understand that it is clearly stated in the Constitution that the >> purpose of copyrights and patents is to encourage the sharing of >> knowledge - and other intellectual property (fiction, art, whatever) - >> in order to advance the common good. > > Care to tell us where? I can find nothing about patents or > copyrights in the Constitution. Article One, Section 8 where it enumerates the powers of Congress: 'To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries' ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 2008 08:25:54 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: In article <4869bdfc$0$30363$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it. > When the egg is fertilised, the mixture of genes would occur in an > absolutely predicted way where the female genes would exactly replace > identical genes coming from the father (and those genes being replaced > with the mother's genes originally came from the father's mother). The laws of quantum mechanics would prevent absolute prediction. > At the time of insemination, while the result would be fully predictable > (so much for eisenburg), the reaction would be physically normal. Sperm > with certain human genetic makeup would mix with an ova with certain > genetic makeup and create an offspring. You are assuming that history is absolutely knowable, an immutable frozen record. Heisenburg shows it is not. > > If baby universe is created by a much older version of itself travelling > back in time, it would mean that no "god" would be needed to create the > universe in the first place since the universe would simply exist in a > loop where it creates itself over and over again. What would possibly initiate the universe's reverse time travel? And who created the whole thing infinite loop thing to begin with? I'm an atheist, but you won't stop a believer this easily. > And the matter/energy would essentilly be like a perpetual machine where > all of it is recycled when moved back in time to the big bang. The > matter/energy would merely exist in time, having never been created. OK, now you can get a little close to reality. There have been discussions of the end of the universe comming as a big squeeze, which might be followed by a new big bang. But that was when the known value of Hubble's constant allowed the possibility of a big squeeze. There's a reason the Large Space Telescope was renamed the Hubble Space Telescope, and one of it's most important results is an established value of Hubble's constant which rules out a big squeeze. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:09:44 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: On Jul 1, 12:17=A0am, JF Mezei wrote: > This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it. > > Person X,male, =A0aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has sex= > with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ... Person X. > > Person X becomes his own father. And his son is himself. > > The baby would *have* to be an exact clone of his father since they are > one and the same. > > When the egg is fertilised, the mixture of genes would occur in an > absolutely predicted way where the female genes would exactly replace > identical genes coming from the father (and those genes being replaced > with the mother's genes originally came from the father's mother). > > There is an interesting portion here that the genetic mixup during > fertilisation would be fully known in advance and predictable. > > This means that when the father has sex with the mother, the mother's > genes would only replace the portion of the father,s genes which had > come from his mother, producing an exact replica. > > Ok, sorry if this caused a few people up upchuck. But I am getting > somewhere: > > Person X's genealogical tree would be interesting since all ancestors on > the father's side would be born on the same date and in fact be the same > =A0person. =A0The person would be his own father, and be his father's fath= er > etc etc. Infinite loop. > > At the time of insemination, while the result would be fully predictable > (so much for eisenburg), the reaction would be physically normal. Sperm > with certain human genetic makeup would mix with an ova with certain > genetic makeup and create an offspring. > > However, in the big picture, the male portion of the genes would have > never been created. It would merely exist after a certain point in time > (the birth date of X). The genetic legacy might continue if X has more > than 1 baby (perhaps before he travels back in time, he mates with a > different female). But the genetic code would not exist prior to his birth= . > > So in essence, a genetic identity would have been created out of thin > air, or just merely exist. > > Perhaps a similar logic would explain the universe. Perhaps the "big > bang" is just our universe travelling back in time a few billion years > and when it rematerialises, it happens in a process similar to the big ban= g. > > If baby universe is created by a much older version of itself travelling > back in time, =A0it would mean that no "god" would be needed to create the= > universe in the first place since the universe would simply exist in a > loop where it creates itself over and over again. > > And the matter/energy would essentilly be like a perpetual machine where > all of it is recycled when moved back in time to the big bang. The > matter/energy would merely exist in time, having never been created. To further this OT topic and have a little fun with it: Were not some of these questions fully answered in the Back to the Future and Terminator movies? And I believe the Adam and Eve question - where did we come from - was answered in the X-files movie for those interested. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 07:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: DaveG Subject: Re: OT: Disturbing thoughts on creation of the universe Message-ID: <028a08f6-9f3e-4386-96c1-d1787459a8e2@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com> On Jul 1, 9:09=A0am, DaveG wrote: > On Jul 1, 12:17=A0am, JF Mezei wrote: > > > > > > > This is VERY OT. But so strange I can't resist posting it. > > > Person X,male, =A0aged 32, travels back in time 32 years. Person X has s= ex > > with his own mother, she gets pregnant and gives birth to ... Person X. > > > Person X becomes his own father. And his son is himself. > > > The baby would *have* to be an exact clone of his father since they are > > one and the same. > > > When the egg is fertilised, the mixture of genes would occur in an > > absolutely predicted way where the female genes would exactly replace > > identical genes coming from the father (and those genes being replaced > > with the mother's genes originally came from the father's mother). > > > There is an interesting portion here that the genetic mixup during > > fertilisation would be fully known in advance and predictable. > > > This means that when the father has sex with the mother, the mother's > > genes would only replace the portion of the father,s genes which had > > come from his mother, producing an exact replica. > > > Ok, sorry if this caused a few people up upchuck. But I am getting > > somewhere: > > > Person X's genealogical tree would be interesting since all ancestors on= > > the father's side would be born on the same date and in fact be the same= > > =A0person. =A0The person would be his own father, and be his father's fa= ther > > etc etc. Infinite loop. > > > At the time of insemination, while the result would be fully predictable= > > (so much for eisenburg), the reaction would be physically normal. Sperm > > with certain human genetic makeup would mix with an ova with certain > > genetic makeup and create an offspring. > > > However, in the big picture, the male portion of the genes would have > > never been created. It would merely exist after a certain point in time > > (the birth date of X). The genetic legacy might continue if X has more > > than 1 baby (perhaps before he travels back in time, he mates with a > > different female). But the genetic code would not exist prior to his bir= th. > > > So in essence, a genetic identity would have been created out of thin > > air, or just merely exist. > > > Perhaps a similar logic would explain the universe. Perhaps the "big > > bang" is just our universe travelling back in time a few billion years > > and when it rematerialises, it happens in a process similar to the big b= ang. > > > If baby universe is created by a much older version of itself travelling= > > back in time, =A0it would mean that no "god" would be needed to create t= he > > universe in the first place since the universe would simply exist in a > > loop where it creates itself over and over again. > > > And the matter/energy would essentilly be like a perpetual machine where= > > all of it is recycled when moved back in time to the big bang. The > > matter/energy would merely exist in time, having never been created. > > To further this OT topic and have a little fun with it: > > Were not some of these questions fully answered in the Back to the > Future and Terminator movies? > > And I believe the Adam and Eve question - where did we come from - > was answered in the X-files movie for those interested.- Hide quoted text = - > > - Show quoted text - I forgot to add that I cannot spend any more time pondering this subject. I must return to Stellar Cartography and plot an intercept course for this object called a "Nexus", last seen in the Gamma quadrant. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 05:24:27 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Symbol Substitution Mystery Message-ID: <0fa66e02-ca02-4061-b09b-fc6449e7b275@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Jun 28, 2:18 pm, hel...@astro.multiCLOTHESvax.de (Phillip Helbig--- remove CLOTHES to reply) wrote: > In article > <23a60f13-6a0a-44df-adbd-fb9a62a14...@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com>, Doug > [...] > > I'm pretty sure that, at least if the expressions are legal DCL > expressions, everything works as expected. If anyone has a particular > example which is unclear, please post just that example. I've given this whole issue some more thought and I think I have a clearer, better explanation, but I won't have time to post it until the weekend. But I'd like to quickly comment on the legality of some of the given expressions. DCL> WC WSO 'F$STRING('ZERO')' %DCL-W-EXPSYN, invalid expression syntax - check operators and operands DCL> DCL> WC WSO "''F$STRING('ZERO')'" %DCL-W-EXPSYN, invalid expression syntax - check operators and operands I believe both of these are illegal because F$STRING() expects either a string (enclosed in quotation marks), a symbol, a valid expression, or another lexical function as its argument. But here we have 'ZERO', which isn't any of the acceptable types of arguments just given. Therefore the expressions above are illegal. DCL> WC WSO F$STRING('ZERO') WSO F$STRING(ONE) 17 1 This one, however, is legal because the apostrophes perform symbol substitution *before* the lexical function is evaluated. The argument of the lexical function then becomes ONE, which is a valid argument. I think the remainder are legal, but wait for my forthcoming post this weekend. [...] AEF ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 2008 07:58:00 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Tru64 file system source code now open source Message-ID: In article <4863ea84$0$10738$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com>, JF Mezei writes: > > Question here: Does the DEC Unix file system still have an edge over > other modern Unixes ? I don't know about the file system, but the kernel had clustering modeled on VMScluster technology (there's a lot more to that than file access). HP tried, but couldn't port that from the Tru64 kernel to the HP-UX kernel. To me, evidence of the poor state of the HP-UX kernel. So, of course, HP walked away from the superior product. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jul 2008 08:04:36 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: Why did this RENAME lose my files? Message-ID: In article <66b604a5-6341-450d-8249-95f818d28e1d@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > -RMS-F-REENT, file could not be renamed and recovery failed; file has > been lost > %RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE: > [FELDMAN]FTDAYBCK.JOU_SAVE;1 as output > -RMS-E-ENT, ACP enter function failed > -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection > violation Sounds like you may have a corrupt directory file and some privilege issues. analyze/disk/repair from a suficiently privileged account should find the lost files and put them in [SYSLOST]. As explained in "help /message reent" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:10:38 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Why did this RENAME lose my files? Message-ID: <993ac165-7fad-4883-8c27-67a68c6128c9@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> On Jul 1, 9:04 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <66b604a5-6341-450d-8249-95f818d28...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > > -RMS-F-REENT, file could not be renamed and recovery failed; file has > > been lost > > %RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE: > > [FELDMAN]FTDAYBCK.JOU_SAVE;1 as output > > -RMS-E-ENT, ACP enter function failed > > -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection > > violation > > Sounds like you may have a corrupt directory file and some privilege > issues. analyze/disk/repair from a suficiently privileged account > should find the lost files and put them in [SYSLOST]. > > As explained in "help /message reent" Thanks for the hint! I'll try this in another directory. And I did recover the files with ANAL/DISK/REPAIR, thanks. From said HELP/MESS output: User Action: Either use the Analyze/Disk/Repair utility to recover the lost file, or ask your system manager to recover the file. [As I recall from a post from the 1990s:] But I *am* the system manager! AEF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:36:15 -0700 (PDT) From: AEF Subject: Re: Why did this RENAME lose my files? Message-ID: <5e207cb6-1f8b-4f08-8c8f-1a73905c8c63@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> On Jul 1, 9:04 am, koeh...@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) wrote: > In article <66b604a5-6341-450d-8249-95f818d28...@34g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, AEF writes: > > > -RMS-F-REENT, file could not be renamed and recovery failed; file has > > been lost > > %RENAME-E-OPENOUT, error opening SYS$SYSDEVICE: > > [FELDMAN]FTDAYBCK.JOU_SAVE;1 as output > > -RMS-E-ENT, ACP enter function failed > > -SYSTEM-F-NOPRIV, insufficient privilege or object protection > > violation > > Sounds like you may have a corrupt directory file and some privilege > issues. analyze/disk/repair from a suficiently privileged account > should find the lost files and put them in [SYSLOST]. > > As explained in "help /message reent" It worked! I renamed the directory to [FELDMAN_MAYBE_BAD], created a new [FELDMAN] directory, copied FTDAYBCK.COM to there, created a new .JOU file, and I didn't get the REENT error! But now I can't reproduce it in [FELDMAN_MAYBE_BAD]! ... Even better, I renamed [FELDMAN_MAYBE_BACK] back to [FELDMAN] and I *still* can't reproduce the REENT error! All I had to do was rename the directory file and back? I'll look some more for something I may have missed. Actually, I renamed these .DIR;1 files by setting the system protection temporarily to RWED. So maybe all I had to do was one or two SET FILE/PROT commands! I guess this makes sense if that portion of the .DIR;1 file was the corrupted part you mentioned, and running the SET FILE/PROT command overwrote it with good data. Thanks for the cure! AEF ------------------------------ End of INFO-VAX 2008.365 ************************