INFO-VAX Tue, 19 Aug 2008 Volume 2008 : Issue 453 Contents: Re: Central Repository - File Distribution Question (AIX) Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Disk remains in HostUnavailable for a very long time Re: Disk remains in HostUnavailable for a very long time DS10L power supply mystery Re: DS10L power supply mystery Re: DS10L power supply mystery Re: DS10L power supply mystery lib$find_file on Pascal Re: lib$find_file on Pascal Re: lib$find_file on Pascal Re: OT: Central Repository - File Distribution Question (AIX) Re: OT: Central Repository - File Distribution Question (AIX) Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a good home.) g Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:58:18 -0700 (PDT) From: The-Grue@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Central Repository - File Distribution Question (AIX) Message-ID: <3a3f4d54-02f2-419f-9997-e6ee8e4a953d@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com> On Aug 16, 11:47=A0am, "Main, Kerry" wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David J Dachtera [mailto:djesys...@spam.comcast.net] > > Sent: August 14, 2008 11:04 PM > > To: Info-...@Mvb.Saic.Com > > Subject: OT: Central Repository - File Distribution Question (AIX) > > > Apologies for the OT post. I know some of my fellow VMSers also deal > > with AIX. > > > What are other AIX sites using to keep scripts, cron jobs, printer > > definitions, etc. in-sync across multiple LPARs? We have 10 LPARs right > > now, not counting a NIM server which has yet to be built. > > > When I've asked in other fora, about the only response I got involved > > RSYNC. We don't want to deal with NFS on that scale, so I'm looking for > > something uses RSH, SSH, RCP, SCP or ??? instead (preferably some SSL > > implementaion). > > > The Central Repository could be on Windows or UN*X - doesn't matter to > > us. > > > Anyone have any ideas? > > > D.J.D. > > How about a clustered file system? > > Sorry, could not resist. > > :-) > > Regards > > Kerry Main > Senior Consultant > HP Services Canada > Voice: 613-254-8911 > Fax: 613-591-4477 > kerryDOTmainAThpDOTcom > (remove the DOT's and AT) > > OpenVMS - the secure, multi-site OS that just works.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - AIX supports clustered filesystems with GPFS. : ) James T. Sprinkle (The Grue) http://www.myspace.com/jamestsprinkle ------------------------------ Date: 19 Aug 2008 09:56:41 -0500 From: koehler@eisner.nospam.encompasserve.org (Bob Koehler) Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <42ZjjxaOX+KG@eisner.encompasserve.org> In article <8660a3a10808181315y2cfd98ebx3187c8d6a5688f24@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" writes: > > "Anybody who says his system is bulletproof is either a liar or stupid." > > Winn Schwartau Oh, come on. I have one of those. It's siting in the basement, turned off and unplugged. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Ken Robinson Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: On Aug 19, 11:07=A0am, "P. Sture" wrote: > In article , > =A0B...@rabbit.turquoisewitch.com (Brad Hamilton) wrote: > > > OK, the presentation slides are at: > > > > > > Follow up there or here... > > If anyone is confused by page 55 of the PDF there, I believe that the > line > > =A0 $ set terminal /nointerrupt > > is misleading and should read > > =A0 $ set terminal /nointeractive > > Doing a show terminal before and after this command shows that it is > equivalent to > > =A0 $ set terminal /passall That would make sense, since setting the terminal to "passall" would mean that the escape sequences aren't being interpreted. Also, it's obvious from reading the slides that the presenter, "bugs", thought he found 3 different vulnerabilities in 3 different programs (telnet, install, telnet), when he had really found just one. Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:42:26 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: Bob Koehler wrote: > In article <8660a3a10808181315y2cfd98ebx3187c8d6a5688f24@mail.gmail.com>, "William Webb" writes: >> "Anybody who says his system is bulletproof is either a liar or stupid." >> >> Winn Schwartau > > Oh, come on. I have one of those. It's siting in the basement, > turned off and unplugged. > Sorry, I just broke into your house, found a working outlet, plugged in that computer. . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:25:00 -0700 (PDT) From: bugs@signedness.org Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <5fd346de-52e5-44e8-8e14-e2eab4aa8a9a@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> On Aug 19, 4:56=A0pm, Ken Robinson wrote: > On Aug 19, 11:07=A0am, "P. Sture" wrote: > > > > > In article , > > =A0B...@rabbit.turquoisewitch.com (Brad Hamilton) wrote: > > > > OK, the presentation slides are at: > > > > > > > > Follow up there or here... > > > If anyone is confused by page 55 of the PDF there, I believe that the > > line > > > =A0 $ set terminal /nointerrupt > > > is misleading and should read > > > =A0 $ set terminal /nointeractive > > > Doing a show terminal before and after this command shows that it is > > equivalent to > > > =A0 $ set terminal /passall > > That would make sense, since setting the terminal to "passall" would > mean that the escape sequences aren't being interpreted. > > Also, it's obvious from reading the slides that the presenter, "bugs", > thought he found 3 different vulnerabilities in 3 different programs > (telnet, install, telnet), when he had really found just one. > > Ken Sigh, Obvious huh? Are you refering to the slide with multiple targets (tcpip, install, telnet)? It says multiple targets, as in the vulnerability can be triggered / exploited in multiple targets (and there are more than those 3 too btw). It doesn't say 3 different vulnerabilities. The slides does deal with 3 different vulnerabilities though, two in finger and the overflow. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Rich Jordan Subject: Re: DEFCON 16 and Hacking OpenVMS Message-ID: <508ea39e-f5f8-48cd-afff-8692259467fa@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Aug 19, 11:42=A0am, "Richard B. Gilbert" wrote: > Bob Koehler wrote: > > In article <8660a3a10808181315y2cfd98ebx3187c8d6a5688...@mail.gmail.com= >, "William Webb" writes: > >> "Anybody who says his system is bulletproof is either a liar or stupid= ." > > >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Winn Schwartau > > > =A0 =A0Oh, come on. =A0I have one of those. =A0It's siting in the basem= ent, > > =A0 =A0turned off and unplugged. > > Sorry, I just broke into your house, found a working outlet, plugged in > that computer. . . . And triggered the self destruct device. Kind of like Bond's unstealable car... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:31:00 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: Disk remains in HostUnavailable for a very long time Message-ID: <48aa77a9$0$1856$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Here is the scoop: VELO is a vax at 7.3 CHAIN is an alpha at 8.3 Both are linked by ethernet, so all disk exchances are via MSCP. Velo is shutdown, dismounts its $7$dia1 disk from CHAIN. When VELO dies, chain sees $7$dia1 as "HostUnavailable". This is expected. Now, Velo boots back up. Joins the cluster. Gets to SYSTARTUP_VMS.COM where I then do a MOUNT/CLUSTER $7$dia1: so that VELO's system disk becomes visible to the rest of the cluster. The problem is that at the time VELO does this, CHAIN still thinks of $7$dia1 as "HostUnavailable" and doesn't mount it, but sees the drive mounted remotely. Here is the progression (show dev) VELO down: $7$DIA1: (VELO) HostUnavailable 0 VELO booting: $7$DIA1: (VELO) HostUnavailable 0 (remote mount) 1 mounted VELO mounting disk /CLUSTER: $7$DIA1: (VELO) HostUnavailable 0 (remote mount) 1 mounted alloc ( I assume that this is probably a mount verification that allocates the drive) A while later: $7$DIA1: (VELO) HostUnavailable 0 (remote mount) 1 mounted A while later: $7$DIA1: (VELO) Mounted 0 (remote mount) 1 From that point on, a MOUNT/SYSTEM/CLUSTER on VELO will succesfully mount it on CHAIN. I can understand why when a new node joins a cluster, it may take some time for existing nodes to have their CONFIGURE process add the new disk drives to the list of available disks. But when a disk is already in node's table, and when a node sees right away that the disk is remotely mounted, is there a reason for the "HostUnavailable" status to remain ? Also interesting that the "alloc" gets added while VELO does the MOUNT/CLUSTER, and then gets removed, but HostUnavailable remains. Could this (god forbid) be a BUG ? (Note that the CD drive appearing as DUA0: on VELO also remains HostUnavailable for that same length of time, so it doesn't appear to be DSSI specific). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:01:06 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: Disk remains in HostUnavailable for a very long time Message-ID: The volume status is communicated across nodes via a lock, not via MSCP itself, and the status of this lock communicates status that indicates the mount count/remote mount as well as the transient allocated status. This status is normal if communication with the remote MSCP server is down, until the last status you gave where it was shown as mounted/remote mount. Not sure why it didn't show up as available quicker, other than the periodic MSCP "I'm available" message is a datagram which doesn't have guaranteed delivery. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:56:19 -0400 From: JF Mezei Subject: DS10L power supply mystery Message-ID: <48aa7dc2$0$14335$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com> Power failure. DS10L has no choice but to shutdown :-( I switch off the breaker for the machine. After power has returned, I power the breaker back on. the DSL10L powers back on, fans are working, gree light in fron is on. But no output on (serial) console. Nothing, nada. No RMC either. Using the "power" button, I can power off and on the DS10L to the same effect. In the back, the air coming out of the power supply is warm, but air coming out of the rest is cool and at a lesser rate. Repeat cycle, same thing. The trick is to physically pull the power cord from back of the DS10L, wait a second or 3 and put it back in. At that point, the unit powers back on, I can hear the 2 disks spinning up, air flow in the back is greater and getting warmer quickly, and the opower up sequence is displayed on the console, machine boots normally. Can anyone explain this ? What would be the difference between unplugging the unit and using a large breaker to feed power back to it ? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:57:53 -0400 From: John Sauter Subject: Re: DS10L power supply mystery Message-ID: JF Mezei wrote: > Power failure. > DS10L has no choice but to shutdown :-( > > I switch off the breaker for the machine. > After power has returned, I power the breaker back on. > > the DSL10L powers back on, fans are working, gree light in fron is on. > But no output on (serial) console. Nothing, nada. No RMC either. > > Using the "power" button, I can power off and on the DS10L to the same > effect. > > In the back, the air coming out of the power supply is warm, but air > coming out of the rest is cool and at a lesser rate. > > Repeat cycle, same thing. > > The trick is to physically pull the power cord from back of the DS10L, > wait a second or 3 and put it back in. At that point, the unit powers > back on, I can hear the 2 disks spinning up, air flow in the back is > greater and getting warmer quickly, and the opower up sequence is > displayed on the console, machine boots normally. > > Can anyone explain this ? > > What would be the difference between unplugging the unit and using a > large breaker to feed power back to it ? To summarize the power sequence you reported: 1. Power fails. You switch the circuit breaker off. 2. Power is restored. You switch the circuit breaker on. The power supply has power, but the logic does not. Conclusion: the power supply has "crowbarred", probably because power was out of specification just before it failed. 3. You push the power button. The power supply shuts down. 4. You push the power button again. The power supply is still crowbarred. 5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 with the same results. 6. You disconnect and reconnect the power cord. The power supply recovers, the DS10L is functional. When a power supply crowbars, in order to recover it needs to have power applied, then removed, then applied again. Using its power switch is insufficient. You could have removed power using the circuit breaker with the same effect as pulling the power cord, but you did not try this. I have seen this happen with PC power supplies, so it is not something specific to the DS10L. I don't know if it is a safety feature designed into modern power supplies, or just an unintended consequence of the design. I don't remember where I first heard the term "crowbar" used to describe this effect of power supplies, but I suspect it was taken from the old method of stopping a flying platform: the pilot placed a crowbar between the counter-rotating fans below him. The platform landed very quickly. John Sauter (John_Sauter@systemeyescomputerstore.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:53:26 GMT From: VAXman- @SendSpamHere.ORG Subject: Re: DS10L power supply mystery Message-ID: <00A7E559.2036BF8F@SendSpamHere.ORG> In article , John Sauter writes: >JF Mezei wrote: >> Power failure. >> DS10L has no choice but to shutdown :-( >> >> I switch off the breaker for the machine. >> After power has returned, I power the breaker back on. >> >> the DSL10L powers back on, fans are working, gree light in fron is on. >> But no output on (serial) console. Nothing, nada. No RMC either. >> >> Using the "power" button, I can power off and on the DS10L to the same >> effect. >> >> In the back, the air coming out of the power supply is warm, but air >> coming out of the rest is cool and at a lesser rate. >> >> Repeat cycle, same thing. >> >> The trick is to physically pull the power cord from back of the DS10L, >> wait a second or 3 and put it back in. At that point, the unit powers >> back on, I can hear the 2 disks spinning up, air flow in the back is >> greater and getting warmer quickly, and the opower up sequence is >> displayed on the console, machine boots normally. >> >> Can anyone explain this ? >> >> What would be the difference between unplugging the unit and using a >> large breaker to feed power back to it ? > >To summarize the power sequence you reported: > >1. Power fails. You switch the circuit breaker off. >2. Power is restored. You switch the circuit breaker on. The power >supply has power, but the logic does not. Conclusion: the power supply >has "crowbarred", probably because power was out of specification just >before it failed. >3. You push the power button. The power supply shuts down. >4. You push the power button again. The power supply is still >crowbarred. >5. Repeat steps 3 and 4 with the same results. >6. You disconnect and reconnect the power cord. The power supply >recovers, the DS10L is functional. > >When a power supply crowbars, in order to recover it needs to have power >applied, then removed, then applied again. Using its power switch is >insufficient. You could have removed power using the circuit breaker >with the same effect as pulling the power cord, but you did not try >this. > >I have seen this happen with PC power supplies, so it is not something >specific to the DS10L. I don't know if it is a safety feature designed >into modern power supplies, or just an unintended consequence of the >design. > >I don't remember where I first heard the term "crowbar" used to describe >this effect of power supplies, but I suspect it was taken from the old >method of stopping a flying platform: the pilot placed a crowbar between >the counter-rotating fans below him. The platform landed very quickly. The design of power supplies use a "crowbar circuit" to limit over-voltage conditions. Zener diodes and SCRs were common in older designs. How this is implemented in more modern switching supplies may be the same or some- thing completely different. -- VAXman- A Bored Certified VMS Kernel Mode Hacker VAXman(at)TMESIS(dot)COM ... pejorative statements of opinion are entitled to constitutional protection no matter how extreme, vituperous, or vigorously expressed they may be. (NJSC) Copr. 2008 Brian Schenkenberger. Publication of _this_ usenet article outside of usenet _must_ include its contents in its entirety including this copyright notice, disclaimer and quotations. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:12:13 +0000 (UTC) From: moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) Subject: Re: DS10L power supply mystery Message-ID: John Sauter writes: >I don't remember where I first heard the term "crowbar" used to describe >this effect of power supplies, but I suspect it was taken from the old >method of stopping a flying platform: the pilot placed a crowbar between >the counter-rotating fans below him. The platform landed very quickly. "Crowbar" wrt to a power supply is a circuit that deliberately short-circuits the supply's output in order to protect delicate electronics from an overvoltage condition or other fault. Ideally the crowbar trips a circuit breaker/blows a fuse and can be reset. The term "crowbar" comes from the idea of short-circuiting the power supply using a crowbar, which isn't far from what really happens. Nowadays power supplies usually have less crude protection logic, but often they require manual intervention such as removing power to reset them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Ramon Jimenez Subject: lib$find_file on Pascal Message-ID: V2UgYXJlIHBvcnRpbmcgYSBQYXNjYWwgYXBwIGZyb20gYSAzMiBiaXQgVkFYIHRvIGEgbmV3IElu dGVncml0eQ0KSXRhbml1bSBCb3guIFdlIGFyZSBjb21waWxpbmcgd2l0aCBBTElHTj1WQVgvRU5V TT1CWVRFIG9wdGlvbnMgYW5kDQpjb21waWxhdGlvbiBydW4gZmluZS4gSG93ZXZlciB3ZSBoYXZl IG5vdGljZWQgdGhhdCBwcm9jZXNzIHRoYXQgdXNlcw0KbGliJGZpbmRfZmlsZSBkb2VzIG5vdCB3 b3JrIGFzIGV4cGVjdGVkIGFuZCBkaWQgbm90IHJlY292ZXIgZmlsZW5hbWUNCmFzIGV4cGVjdGVk LiBXZSBhcmUgdXNpbmcgbGliJGZpbmRfZmlsZSAoIG91dGZpbGUsIGR1bW15LCBjb250ZXh0LA0K J0RBVEFGSUxFLicgKTsNClRoZSBvdXRmaWxlIGlzIGFsd2F5cyByZWNvdmVyZWQgY29ycmVjdCBi dXQgc29tZXRpbWVzIGR1bW15IGhhcyBhbg0Kc3RyYW5nZSBuYW1lIChmaW5kX2JpbmFyeV9maWxl OkR1bW15ID0NCuKQpDEyMeKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpDEyM09SVDEyM+KQpOKQpOKQ pOKQpOKQpOKQpGTikKTikKRSeuKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpDDikKTikKTikKTikKTi kKTikKTikKTikKTikKTikKTikKTikKTikKTikKQNCuKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQ pOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpOKQpCDikKR74pCk4pCk4pCk 4pCk4pCkJeKQi+KZpg0Kc28gdGhlIHRhc2sgZmFpbHMuDQpBbnkgaGVscCBvciBhbnkgcGxhY2Ug SSBjYW4gZmluZCBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiByZWxhdGVkIHRvIHRoaXMgZXJyb3I/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:09:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: lib$find_file on Pascal Message-ID: On Aug 19, 10:21=A0am, Ramon Jimenez wrote: > We are porting a Pascal app from a 32 bit VAX to a new Integrity Itanium = Box. :. > We are using lib$find_file ( outfile, dummy, context, 'DATAFILE.' ); > The outfile is always recovered correct but sometimes dummy has an > strange name I guess that worked on VAX, so it should be OK, but those names selected are certainly 'odd' The first argument to find_file is in fact an INPUT specification... called outfile? The second argument is the output and typically the most important part, but called dummy? - Is the find_file return status being checked before using dummy? You can only look into 'dummy' on succes. - How is the descriptor for 'dummy' set up? - Is LIB$FIND_FILE_END used, like it should be? It might be a 'tricky' memory corruption problem which was always there, but never seen. For example, the 'context' roughly corresponds with an RMS FAB. If you manager to accidently flip the 'low' bit in the fap options longword, then RMS will be told to work asynchroneously givign surprise results... sometimes it 'seems' to works. Sometimes not. btw... If this gets too complicated for you, then serveral folks reading this newsgroup will be eager to provide professional consulting service to help. The Email you posted with looks 'for for real' if it is not just reply with a slightly encrypted Email address to use if you would like to solicit those folks for professional help. Good luck! Hein van den Heuvel HvdH Performance Consulting ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:42:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Hein RMS van den Heuvel Subject: Re: lib$find_file on Pascal Message-ID: <8bcb150f-737f-4b99-b95e-2bee93bf252e@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> On Aug 19, 10:21=A0am, Ramon Jimenez wrote: > We are porting a Pascal app from a 32 bit VAX to a new Integrity fyi... This topic is cross-posted in the itrc OpenVMS forum: http://forums12.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/questionanswer.do?threadId=3D126= 0793 Hein. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: The-Grue@hotmail.com Subject: Re: OT: Central Repository - File Distribution Question (AIX) Message-ID: On Aug 14, 8:03=A0pm, David J Dachtera wrote: > Apologies for the OT post. I know some of my fellow VMSers also deal > with AIX. > > What are other AIX sites using to keep scripts, cron jobs, printer > definitions, etc. in-sync across multiple LPARs? We have 10 LPARs right > now, not counting a NIM server which has yet to be built. > > When I've asked in other fora, about the only response I got involved > RSYNC. We don't want to deal with NFS on that scale, so I'm looking for > something uses RSH, SSH, RCP, SCP or ??? instead (preferably some SSL > implementaion). > > The Central Repository could be on Windows or UN*X - doesn't matter to > us. > > Anyone have any ideas? > > D.J.D. Hi David! You might want to try rdist over ssh. Here is some information on rdist: http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=3D/co= m.ibm.aix.cmds/doc/aixcmds4/rdist.htm Back in the PSSP days you would have used supper for the same purpose. Anyway, hope this helps! James T. Sprinkle (The Grue) http://www.myspace.com/jamestsprinkle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:49:54 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Pi=E9ronne?= Subject: Re: OT: Central Repository - File Distribution Question (AIX) Message-ID: <48aaebab$0$976$426a34cc@news.free.fr> David J Dachtera wrote: > Apologies for the OT post. I know some of my fellow VMSers also deal > with AIX. > > What are other AIX sites using to keep scripts, cron jobs, printer > definitions, etc. in-sync across multiple LPARs? We have 10 LPARs right > now, not counting a NIM server which has yet to be built. > > When I've asked in other fora, about the only response I got involved > RSYNC. We don't want to deal with NFS on that scale, so I'm looking for > something uses RSH, SSH, RCP, SCP or ??? instead (preferably some SSL > implementaion). > > The Central Repository could be on Windows or UN*X - doesn't matter to > us. > > Anyone have any ideas? > You can use mercurial which is a distributed repository and run on many platforms including VMS. JFP ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:52:47 -0700 (PDT) From: David B Sneddon Subject: Updated with list (Re: Old DECservers, DEChubs etc. available to a good home.) g Message-ID: <98793241-393b-4f6c-8faa-35e044ba6bcb@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com> And here is the initial list: 1 x DECserver 700-16 21 x DECserver 90TL 3 x DECbrouter 90T1 6 x DECbrouter 90T2 2 x DECbrouter 90T2a 4 x DECrepeater 90C 4 x DECrepeater 90T+ 2 x DECrepeater 90T 1 x DECrepeater 90T-16 10 x DECrepeater 90FA 2 x DECrepeater 90FL 1 x DECrepeater 900FP 7 x DECrepeater 900TM 2 x DECswitch 900EF 1 x DECbridge 900MX 2 x DEChub 900 (with P/S) 5 x DEChub 90 6 x DEChub 90 P/S 13 x BA356 SBB P/S (blue) 4 x VAXstation 4000 P/S 2 x HSZ50 2 x DWZZH-05 (in BA356) Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:20:52 -0500 From: "***** charles" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: "Jeff Campbell" wrote in message news:1218757777_24@isp.n... > ***** charles wrote: >> >> >>> The only difference is the damage done to the white box firmware to >>> prevent them booting VMS or Tru64. >>> A very simple procedure remedies this defect :-) >>> One note however: DEC/HP/Compaq will never service nor support a white >>> box Alpha that runs VMS or Tru64. >> >> I would be inclined to do this if I could get it to insall/run OpenVMS. >> When I was in school "a long time ago" the computer science dept. >> had a vax cluster and I have used VMS before. Might be interesting. >> If you have the customization procedure to turn a white box into a >> blue box please point. >> >> thanks, >> charles..... >> >> > > To run VMS on a white box DS330x do the following: > > 1) Change the machine to use the SRM console. > > 2) At the SRM >>> prompt, type the following: > > >>> set os_type vms > >>> cat nvram (to see what, if anything, is in it) > >>> edit nvram > 10 set srm_boot on > 20 set boot_reset on > 30 e > >>> init > > 4) Install VMS and have fun! > > Change the line numbers, 10 and 20 above, if your nvram file > happens to have other commands in it already. > > The edit command above runs a simple line numbered editor. > Type a ? in it to see a list of it's commands: > > >>> edit nvram > ? > > Jeff I found the instructions above on the Internet and have already done them. Now I would like to get the latest vms version but believe that I have to join some group in order to qualify which I don't want to do. I did find an 800 type number for ordering the media kit but the number doesn't let me do what I want. At least the media kit was supposed to only be $25. Do you happen to know he minimum ram requirement? I only have 128M at present. thanks.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:44:30 -0400 From: "Richard B. Gilbert" Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: ***** charles wrote: > "Jeff Campbell" wrote in message > news:1218757777_24@isp.n... >> ***** charles wrote: >>> >>> >>>> The only difference is the damage done to the white box firmware to >>>> prevent them booting VMS or Tru64. >>>> A very simple procedure remedies this defect :-) >>>> One note however: DEC/HP/Compaq will never service nor support a white >>>> box Alpha that runs VMS or Tru64. >>> I would be inclined to do this if I could get it to insall/run OpenVMS. >>> When I was in school "a long time ago" the computer science dept. >>> had a vax cluster and I have used VMS before. Might be interesting. >>> If you have the customization procedure to turn a white box into a >>> blue box please point. >>> >>> thanks, >>> charles..... >>> >>> >> To run VMS on a white box DS330x do the following: >> >> 1) Change the machine to use the SRM console. >> >> 2) At the SRM >>> prompt, type the following: >> >> >>> set os_type vms >> >>> cat nvram (to see what, if anything, is in it) >> >>> edit nvram >> 10 set srm_boot on >> 20 set boot_reset on >> 30 e >> >>> init >> >> 4) Install VMS and have fun! >> >> Change the line numbers, 10 and 20 above, if your nvram file >> happens to have other commands in it already. >> >> The edit command above runs a simple line numbered editor. >> Type a ? in it to see a list of it's commands: >> >> >>> edit nvram >> ? >> >> Jeff > > I found the instructions above on the Internet and have already > done them. Now I would like to get the latest vms version but > believe that I have to join some group in order to qualify which > I don't want to do. I did find an 800 type number for ordering > the media kit but the number doesn't let me do what I want. At > least the media kit was supposed to only be $25. Do you happen > to know he minimum ram requirement? I only have 128M at > present. > > thanks.... > > 128 MB should be enough. It's more than enough for VAX (the minimum used to be something like 8 MB many years ago). 64MB is the practical minimum for an Alpha. Don't know what the minimum is for Itanic except that the Itanic wants more. More RAM is better. I have 192MB on my Alphastation 200 4/233. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:07:30 -0500 (CDT) From: sms@antinode.info (Steven M. Schweda) Subject: Re: What to do now with a DEC Server 3000? Message-ID: <08081909073073_20200490@antinode.info> From: "***** charles" > [...] Now I would like to get the latest vms version but > believe that I have to join some group in order to qualify which > I don't want to do. Why not? It's free. Or are you simply unmutual? > I did find an 800 type number for ordering Whose 800 number? Which 800 number? > the media kit but the number doesn't let me do what I want. At > least the media kit was supposed to only be $25. Which media kit was that? $30, I thought, for the usual: http://www.openvmshobbyist.com/news.php http://www.montagar.com/hobbyist/mount.html > Do you happen > to know he minimum ram requirement? I only have 128M at > present. The Software Product Description (SPD) should say. As usual, it may depend on what you expect to do. http://h71000.www7.hp.com/ and Search for "spd"? http://h71000.www7.hp.com/openvms/ovms_v831h1_spd.pdf The minimum amount of memory required to install, boot, and log in to an OpenVMS Alpha system is 64 MB. Additional memory may be required to ensure sat- isfactory performance for either of the following: · Particular applications or number of users · Particular hardware configurations Refer to specific layered product documentation for their memory requirements. I'd expect performance with 128MB to be pretty poor in many cases. From: "Richard B. Gilbert" > [...] I have 192MB on my Alphastation 200 4/233. Yow. I had 768MB in mine, and more would have been better. (Of course, more memory is almost always better. More than the 2GB max in my XP1000 systems would be nice, too.) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steven M. 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